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Horsefly.....How are you doing?
October 19, 2007
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And by the way, there's nothing insensitive about what I said.

period.

October 19, 2007
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Just because it wasn't offensive to you free doesn't mean that it wasn't offensive.

Last time I checked....Horsefly called me a bitch in that thread...therefore I had the right to feel offended by her.

Even though I was offended by horsefly, your post here appalled me. I am glad that people here don't see "bonkers" as offensive...but does that mean that some of us don't have that right? It in my opinion is offensive...

But, we are back to that same fight you love to get into...OVER AND OVER...but, the truth is...it can be painful...and it was. But that doesn't matter does it Free??

It didn't bother or offend you, so that makes it ok. I am sure that people here don't mind being called a bitch...which is how this thread became...but, it killed me inside. But again...that doesn't matter to you Free, DOES IT??

October 19, 2007
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Interesting mich-

you don't post here either until now.

No mich.

I'm not YOUR abuser either.

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October 19, 2007
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You posted because of your porch swing.

I get it.

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October 19, 2007
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I posted because of the feelings that I spent all day expressing in the safe place thread Free. Thank you. I am entitled to feelings...

October 19, 2007
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Why is it not possible for you to believe Free, that not everyone is out to get you. EVERY TIME two people agree and it isn't with you...you assume that they have formed a clique against you....

Amazing to me how that happens....yet, it also seems amazing to me how many people won't post to you anymore....because you are only out to cause a fight....EVERY TIME...

October 19, 2007
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And quite frankly Free...I do see you as abusive to me and many others here...therefore...yes, that makes you my abuser...

October 19, 2007
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I'm sorry but this is bullshit.

I never said you aren't entitled to feelings.

My post had nothing to do with YOU mich.

I do NOT deserve this.

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October 19, 2007
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No, mich it doesn't.

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October 19, 2007
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What you are doing right now is abusive.

This thread isn't even about you.

And I am NOT your abuser.

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October 19, 2007
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Mich-

I'm done.

I just think you're full of shit and really resent you popping in with survivor and bevdee just like you did before.

It's bullshit.

I'm sorry.

It's bullshit.

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October 19, 2007
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If the bonkers statement offended me, then I have the right to say so. I wasnt going to address it, until you made a point to once again try to prove that you weren't wrong. I can see how others saw it as offensive...I did. But, again, that doesn't matter to you does it Free?

Again, you tried to accuse people of ganging up on you, when you had to realize that Bev and I hadn't been talking all day...but, I had spent all day posting about my feelings on the whole situation....nor have I even been on the dang porch thread....

You made it pretty clear IMO that the only reason for your posts here were to start a fight, and you didn't care who with. You tore Survivor a whole new butthole over a post that Bev placed. That didn't look real good did it? Then, you turned around and accused the Porch being the reason for my feelings....again, didn't look so good huh?

People have a right to have feelings, and the right to tell you about them.

"this is bullshit." Ya think?? You may want to consider Free that you cannot control that not everyone agrees with you....and while I agreed with your original post, I was still appalled at your choice of words. It is a fact, and I didn't need anyone else to help me get that feeling. It was offensive, and if I were horsefly, I would be hurt by your choice of words.

October 19, 2007
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I am so glad you spoke the truth here SIM and Bevdee, i am glad to see i am not the only one who feels harassed here and hurt, thank you from my heart...

October 19, 2007
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"Why is it not possible for you to believe Free, that not everyone is out to get you. EVERY TIME two people agree and it isn't with you...you assume that they have formed a clique against you....

Amazing to me how that happens....yet, it also seems amazing to me how many people won't post to you anymore....because you are only out to cause a fight....EVERY TIME... "

It's not true mich.

But thanks.

You made my fucking day.

I'm bawling. I'll let you have that. I'm bawling, feel like shit, hate myself, and am heading for a hot shower?

feel good?

I knew you would, so just wanted to share that with you.

I'm not your abuser, but I guess I'll do.

I gotta be good for something right?

Have a wonderful evening.

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October 19, 2007
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Free, I won't take responsibility for your feelings. You might want to consider thinking about what you post before you post it, and how others might read it. It isn't all about you Free...it really isn't.

October 19, 2007
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Oh and here survivor- here's something for you too.

I wish I could have helped you. That, too, that fact, - I stopped working hotlines the last time you pegged me as a perpetrator.

happy?

kuz I'm a piece of shit and don't know what to say to ease other's pain.

You're not only one who "sees things" survivor.

I do to.

I'm just a piece of shit perpetrator.

Thought I'd give you that before I left.

You deserve it. To feel validated.

free

October 19, 2007
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My mom used to do this to me, always turned things onto me and my feelings were never valid, I lived an entire life ebtrenehced in this game, of not being allowed to have feelings and then feeling bad for my mom, i refuse to tolerate that now, from anyone..anywhere,....

No...do not let her make you feel bad here SIM...you are not responsible for her feelings here, not at all, neither am I or anyone else for that matter.

She tried to tear me out a new asshole, yup and so did someone else, but you know what???, my skin is much thicker these days, I do not cry in a corner like i used too, not for long, I am much tougher now and I laugh at people who TRY to hurt me, cause they can't. Never again!

October 19, 2007
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My mother used to say almost the same things to me, and it worked, cause it played on my sympathy, that no longer works on me, not ANYMORE.

You did not hurt me Free, and your not hurting me now with your letter here to me either now, not buying it, seen it and I know it very well. Too well...

I do hope you see what you have done here to us...what you are trying to pull here, is not working...Not at all here...

October 19, 2007
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you did good survivor.

You did really, really good.

How powerful you ARE now. To completely annihilate somebody. LIKE ME.

Or so you thought.

I knew you were reading all along, survivor, and what you wrote on the porch swing was a bunch of shit. You wanted them to rally behind you. and they did.

Look at your followers.

You poor victim of free, you.

RIGHT!

right.

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October 19, 2007
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No... I did not expect anyone to stand by me, I was actually quite surprised, cause that never happens to me, never (actually ONCE)but maybe they both had the same expereinces and got tired of you isolating people and then getting mad if someone else spoke up and called you on your shit here...

YOU annihilated yourself, you did that all by YOURSElF....

October 19, 2007
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All right-

with all that drama done and said.

Horsefly- I REALLY HOPE YOU COME BACK!

And that the word "bonkers" doesn't hurt your feelings.

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October 19, 2007
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One thing I learned in healing is that nobody has the power to annihilate another.

You'll never be annihilated.

But some people want that power and think they can get it.

They don't have it. And can't get it.

They just don't. And they just can't.

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October 19, 2007
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annihilate: (according to Webster, NOT ME)

1. to cause to be of no effect: nullify

2. to regard as of no consequence

3. to cause to cease to exist

4. to destroy a considerable part of

5. to vanquish completely

Free, the only annihilation I see in this thread...and SEVERAL others..is you not allowing others to have an opinion different than your own.

Every time that someone has an opinion that doesn't match yours...you annihilate them...with the hopes of changing them.

It is ok to admit we don't agree. But, you assume that everyone is against you, ANYTIME that more than one person doesn't agree. Then not only do we not agree, then we become a clique.

I accepted that you didn't feel the way you did. BUT, I won't accept your ridiculous assumptions that it is because others don't agree with you either. I am a person, with feelings of my own. I am entitled to them, and to speak them. I didn't realize that there was a time frame on when I should or shouldn't do that.

I will NOT take blame for your feelings. I find it sad that you have on more than one occasion tonight made others responsible for your actions. My codependency would be to feel bad...but I don't. Thanks for that sure sign of growth on my part. I will not take responsibility for how you or anyone else reacts to my feelings. If you don't like them, don't read them.

I appreciate that we differ in opinion...I can't appreciate the way that you do it, and the accusations that follow.

October 19, 2007
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STOP ALL OF THIS FIGHTING!

NOW!

October 19, 2007
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okay.

My bad. I engaged.

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