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November 27, 2000
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Hi kitten,

nice to hear of you again. I'll leave the discussion to you and Tez for now....

Take care, eve

November 27, 2000
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Kitten.

You sure know how to get me going on my favorite subject, fear.

You said, "How do you feel about the theory that we all respond to life from either a position of love or fear?..."

I feel very strongly that this is a valid statement. I think that life in general is about experiencing vulnerability in all its forms. When our inherited and conditioned emotional responses to a perceived threat are triggered, we experience our awareness of the arousal of our fear response systems as a feeling of fear. This feeling can then quickly change to feelings of anger, depression, anxiety etc depending upon whether we choose to fight, run from, immobilise in front of or appease the perceived cause of the threat. These are all four evolutionally learnt fear responses.

When we take the vulnerability of others into account and try to help them as well as ourselves deal with fear in very appropriate ways then love is manifest.

Since, life is about experiencing in all its subtle and gross forms the struggle for both physical and spiritual survival for the self and others, then at any given instant life is about responding out of love and/or fear. I'm not sure that love and fear are mutually exclusive. I suspect that love is an attitude towards fear that encompasses others within the sphere of our concerns.

I am somewhat dubious about using loving feelings as a criteria in judging what is love. For example, the feelings that a doting mother feels when indulging a grossly over weight child in the child's demands for more junk food, are hardly indications of love in action.

And you said, "There are many books out there on the subject..." Yes, Gerard Jampolsky's book "Love is Letting Go of Fear" springs to mind.

And, you further said, "Is it possible to have a complete life and have a handle on both of those aspects?" I'm not sure what you understand by the words a "complete life". I understand a "complete" life to be one in which a person maximizes their awareness of what is 'going down'. This necessarily means going out on a limb and taking risks; making oneself more vulnerable. It does not necesarily lead to a life full of pleasure and peace. I'm sure that Christ's life knew little of either and he certainly lived a life of love. He was certainly passionate about living; a man of action, extraordinaire; a man to be admired. I'm not a Christian at all, so I feel uninhibited in bringing Christ into the discussion. No one who knows me can accuse me of preaching Christianity at them. They would accuse me of the opposite, I suspect. 🙂

November 27, 2000
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Hi Everyone,

I don't know if any of you remember me I used to post once in awhile here. I started coming here maybe almost a year and a half ago.

Things are going okay for me except I have had many health issues to deal with and it has been rough at times. For today all seems okay for now but at times I wonder what next?

I have made wonderful progress dealing with my inner conflicts and torments and have learned how to deal with them on a day to day basis. I have had help from others (one in paticular) and they have really opened my eyes to my insecurities and feelings of unworthiness.

Today I can honestly say I Love myself and I deserve all the good the world has to offer.

Its nice to read all these posts and have a feelings of contentment.

Always
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November 27, 2000
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So that is my problem, I am a Scorpio!! Tez again you are right on, good to hear from you Bel, Kitten and Eve. Over the last 24 hours I have gotten real deep with my self, and figure it is time to be reborn again, I think living with this man is my main problem. I came back due to the effort that he has made, and demonstrated, yet there is so much that is the same, I feel like I have done a total repeat, so that I am back to where I was before I broke free. Brock Cool Joe, peter pan, was right!! Since my return I have felt an alien on the wrong planet, and my attitude, moods, and behaviors -- are bi-polar, because I am coping, settleing for what I do not want, lied to, deceived, manipulated, no trust, and blamed for everything. Pretending in person to be complete when I am so miserable. he told me Sunday morning that the girls called him the night they left me sitting there. #1 why didn't he call me and tell me when they called, I have a cell phone. #2 he said he doesn't remember what they said or what he said?#3 Why did he wait a week to tell me? Frustrating and confusing, but more clues to the fact that this is not the right match, and that he undermines my stability and I guess, I must admit I let him. It is so sad. I get comfortable I hope and try to have faith, but it takes two to make it work, and I do not have a partner. The DUH has happened, and I will be reborn.Fear ful no, lazy yes, and the time for lazy is over. No pain no growth, and I am tired of the pain

November 27, 2000
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Tez,
Complete life does not imply (at least not to me) one that is filled with things, whether they are tangible or not. I am working towards a complete Gestalt...knowing and accepting me, the K that was directed to this place called earth. In a New Age sort of way I believe we picked our lives before we were born. We came here with specific lessons to learn...pride, poverty, victimhood, etc. Mine is the lesson of process and patience. I have to follow the steps--not jump ahead without doing certain things first. Perhaps my language is simple, but I think that is how it is...life should be simple...we tend to make it more complicated than it needs to be. And patience, well, I've struggled with that my whole life. We are often conditioned to want things now--if we decide on something we should be able to move on the decision and gain immediate satisfaction. Doesn't work that way...at least it hasn't in my world. Process and Patience. What are your lessons, Tez?

Molly,
Yes, Scorpios must get to the bottom of the barrel before they can look up. One of our many joys in life. You have to remember the symbol of the Scorpion is the Phoenix...a mythical bird who flys out of the ashes and is re-created into something better. Life for us is always evolving... always getting better--if we let it!

November 28, 2000
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Kitten.

Learning lessons is about focusing on and endeavouring to bring about psychological outcomes. Outcomes are consequences of time dependent events, both of which, I suspect, are illusory.

If I have a lesson to learn, that is beyond this earthly realm, it is to learn that all that my mind can conceive is illusory and temporal.

That's a big lesson to learn. I'm not sure that I ever will. 🙂

November 28, 2000
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Kitten your words ring true, and I have heard this before. Part of my return was self doubt in the process of patience, so I have been patient, and now like the phoenix, my wings are growing. I have felt like I have been at the bottom of the barrel, and looking up, cautiously, trying out patience, some thing I have always joked about being a birth defect, I am looking up, I see so many possibilities, my energy is low, I think in part due to all the drama. It is so hard to disconnect, controll the monkey brain, and think foreward. However I know I am strong, and can handle most of what is handed to me, its just so exhausting. I just reread the DSM4 on bi-polar, and it fits just about everyone that I know, is that my circle of friends, is that my denial, is that a result of our life today?

November 28, 2000
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it's just strange how we are magnetically drawn towards another individual to make ourselves feel complete in our life.. it's strange how there is this strong need for someone else to cater to our feelings.. there are people who have been given everything in life but their heart still desire for another soul to make themselves feel complete... why is this so? should we blame this on the greek gods for splitting us into halves?

love is one of the most beautiful experience uncomparable to anything else. but it can be the most lethal if not successful.. i think the primary purpose of life is to be happy.. and if love brings the most happiness out of everything else.. then i will never give up on it .. even if it means painful heartbreaks... once love is succesfully achieved.. life will feel like a newly bloomed flower.

so go out there and "find the one that you love and who loves you"! there will probably come a day when you will feel tired of the constant daily routine.. and your surroundings.. and you will come to realize that having that special special person in your life will throw light on everything that seems shadowy and dark..

November 30, 2000
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Hello old friends,

I came here as others like VR(J) did to "check in". I used to Hammer my point across to many of you not to long ago. Now that I think about it, its been over a year now. Most of you may recognize my former nicknames of BROC and Joe Cool?

I stopped by a few days ago to check in, and saw my first friend here still posting....MOLLY! And other old friends like Tez, Skye, VRJ, and Guest_Guest.....OLLLLLLDDDDD friends, going back almost two years ago. Other names like Janes, CiCi, and Eve also bring back many memories. So, I thought I would stop in a drop a quick note, a little more detailed than the post I left a week or so ago, under "Giving Thanks". Molly is the only one that posted, but ONLY she would have gotton the joke about the "boots". Pretty smart gal that Molly is.

So, after posting I read a few more and found this one, and saw a few of you remembered me and even asked about me, and that made me smile. Thank you.

So, here it is.

When I first came here, I came from a very pathetic group of people that cheated, lied, committed adultry, etc. Very very pathetic, and something I am ashamed to have ever been part of. In the end every one of the hurt me in some way; my best friend slept with my ex-girlfriend, and the rest just plain abandoned me when I started talking about therapy, recovery, etc. I came within 5-10 minutes of committing suicide.

Now, almost two years later, I can say, for the first time in my life, I am happy. Really happy. I can't explain it, really. Its not that consuming feeling of euphoria. That feeling that most would describe as happiness, for I don't believe most really ever experience TRUE happiness...only brief glimpses. Again, I don't know how to put it into words. I am now my own man, and use my own knowledge, wits, what have you to run my life without all the bullshit in it from my past. I used to rely, almost soley, on my friends for what I should do, and how I should do it. And if not them, my family, especially my mother. No self confidence. No self esteem. On the outside a very successful saleman. Got my share of the ladies. Lotsa $$$. But on the inside, behind closed doors, was a confused, timid, scared little boy that didn't know anything about life or the people in it. Then, because of my old group of frineds, or in spite of, I thought to myself, WOW, life sucks, and no matter what I try, or ANY of us try, we keep screwing it up. Our relatiojnships, marriages, you name it. Thats when I heard a voice in my head that said, basically, you need to change. I went in to speak to a therapist, and boy did I get an ear full, and definitely got my moneys worth. I ran back to my group with all this new found wisdom to closed eyes and ears. I was banishied, called horrible names, and had my best friend of 15 years hop in the sack with my ex girfriend. Geez. So much for trying to educate the ignorant. It was horrible, but thank GOD that I hung in there. Thank GOD I didn't take my life when the pain was unbearable. Thank GOD that I stayed on my path, which most of you know, and some of you will soon find out, that its very painful to do the changing one needs too. A REAL CHANGE. NOT THAT SHIT PEOPLE SAY THEY DO AND NEVER REALLY DO. Thank GOD for sites like this. Thank GOD I found you and listened. God, or whoever your higher power is has a funny way of helping you if you will just let go and give up the control. He brought Molly into my life to help me with what I needed AT THAT TIME. They she left and I found others, like Tez, Guest, Skye, VRJ, to help me with little individual struggles I was having. Knowing what to say and how to say it. I call it a God thing. Then before I left, people like Janes, and Cici, and eve, and others I can't remember. Cici, sharing how her ex friend and ex boyfrined did the same thing my ex's did to me. Janes, for sharing issues within her family, and how they related to my hurts going on with my old group. I could go on and on and on for hours about how each of you helped me. I only hope that I was of help to you as well. I did try my best to help.
Anyway, I am rambling, as is my custom as many of you know. So, I will wrap it up by telling you how the story ended.....for now. I contiued to attend couseling, still weekly. I am past ALOT of the crap, and now go to "brush up" on what still is hard for me. Many times my therapist and I just chat for the hour. I get choked up when I think of how much she helped me. I have a woman in my life. Of course is NOTHING like anyone from my past; both male or female. And for those of you new to this stuff, thats the best thing. UNFAMILIAR = GOOD! She and I have been dating for over a year now. She and I met at a relatiionship seminar here in town. Got to talking, and eventually hit it off. She loves counseling, reading about it, books, etc. I hit the Power Ball, really. It is rare to find someone that believes in this stuff. Not impossible, but rare. I also broke away from the family business and took my $75K in savings and threw it on the table for my OWN business. It amazes me how many areas of ones life need to change. Anyway, I am great. Serene. Peaceful. I continue to grow everyday. I read new books, go to classes, whatever I can to GROW. NEVER STOP GROWING! So, there it is. Confusing, with no logical order. I sure miss you guys, and will stop in again, hopefully I won't let a year pass.
I can't say it enough, but to those that gave me kind words who I can't remember their names, AND ESPECIALLY TO THOSE I MENTIONED, FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, THANK YOU. I HOPE EACH OF YOU HAVE A GOOD LIFE, AND THAT IT BRINGS YOU ALL EVERYTHING YOUR HEART DESIRES.

GOOD BYE FREINDS.
Joe Cool, Broc, and Peter Pan!

December 1, 2000
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how odd...what I wanted to post never made it, but something I did not write did...how is that possible? It's unfortunate, too, because Tez, I had one of those philosophical questions for you. As soon as I remember what it was, I will post again. Wonder where my other posting went?

December 1, 2000
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kitten.

This has happened before. Software and hardware glitches can tack your name onto someone elses posting.

Also there has been cases where two people have chosen the same nickname. I'm not sure that this site's software picks that up automatically at time of new user registration. There may be 2 'Kittens'. In the past some mischevious troublemaker took advantage of this - it happened to Guest_guest I think???

Anyway, feel free to fire away with any point/challenge/question etc. I'll give it my best shot.

December 1, 2000
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Broc...thanks for stopping in...I am so glad to hear you are doing well.

It tickles me ....pink

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December 1, 2000
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Tez,
Well, one of my thoughts had to do with learning. If learning is a product of our experience, hence our cognitive patterns, etc., why does learning have to be limited to the here and now. You might recall one of my favorite sentiments is that learning is really a matter of remembering things we already know. Perhaps part of the collect unconsious, whatever, but I truly do believe cognitions are like "cogs" or spokes of a wheel...we need many of them in order to turn. Many lives, many thoughts, many experiences. So, what is illusion? Is life now, here, or is it the refletion of the fire on the wall. If we conceive life as being part of the future, another world, we will never truly grasp that which is already in hand. The sum of all those experiences. Sometimes I feel as if I am waiting for my life to get started--to finish school, marry, watch my children move on with their own lives, etc. But at 42, I can't keep waiting. My life has started many lives ago. We can't compare present life with what we want or need or what others have. It is just another part of the grande life...another corner...one more sunrise. Maybe in this life I have done and been a part of a great many things, but compared to all of my lives this is just a tiny portion. So, too, with you, Tez. Your reward is now...your lesson is now...it's tucked away in the many memories you keep hidden, locked away in your pain and fear. You will learn what you need to learn, for now...this application. It's all cumlative.

Molly,
I had some great words for you, but they seem to have gotten lost as well. Don't let other's attitudes dictate your own behavior to yourself and people around you.Read Viktor Frankl's book again, if necessary. A wonderful Priest once told me that we are always being bombarded with messages from the world around us: those that are symbols or symbolic and those that are the opposite; diabolic (dyabolic). Embrace the good symbols, reject those things that are diabolic (and there are many). For each diabolic there is a symbolic. Just as for each moment of darkness there is a moment of lightness. When you are ready, you will climb up on the shoulders of those things diabolic, hoisting yourself into the light. Finally, there, perched on the edge of the barrel, you will find your wings opening, allowing you to fly! Peace.

December 2, 2000
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Kitten.

You asked, "If learning is a product of our experience, hence our cognitive patterns, etc., why does learning have to be limited to the here and now?" Because we only have the "here and now". That's all there is. The 'past' exists only as subjective memories and the 'future' as often flawed expectations. Since the past and the future don't exist except as psychological images - and both are all the product of our interpretations of the meaning for us of the eternal ' now's ' - we are left only with the present 'instant'. It is in each 'instant' that we do our cognitive processing of the remembered 'past', our projected imaginings of the 'future'and of our interpretations of our instant by instant emotional arousals known to us as feelings. That's why we learn only in the instant.

But how long is that instant, that interface between the illusory and the delusory past and the non-existent future? Is it a milli, micro, picosecond? I suggest that the period of the instant is a function of the length of the 'frames' of information that our sensory organs are capable of capturing and/or the time taken to process one thought. Since our sensory organs are very limited, we are thus very unlikely to capture any instant anyway. And,without an absolute yardstick, our thoughts are prone to error. In the absolute limit, the instant is the reciprocal of infinity seconds in length. That is it is absolute zero seconds in length. This implies that the instant is also non-existent,that it is an abstract concept. Thus all is an illusion created by our limited processing capacity of our brains and flawed sensory organs.

The realization of the illusory nature of our world, is a tenet of Buddhism, Hinduism and other belief systems. As Cici said, its all belief. Beliefs are illusory in themselves. All is illusion - enjoy and worry not.

December 3, 2000
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Thanks Kitten, I'm working it, it is just so hard, of course no one said it would be easy. I'm just putting one foot in front of the other and trying to jump the puddles.

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Tez,
Hummnnn...digesting that will take time. I guess I was thinking of something Depak Chopra said about measuring certain areas of the brain. We know what area tells us to do something, but we can't locate the area that tells us where that thought originates. It's lost somewhere in the spaces between the spaces. If that is so, then it is possible for there to be so much more lurking behind our cognitive thoughts. What is an instant for you may not be an instant for me. Truly, if we are only using 10% of our brain, what is hiding in the other 90? Parallel thought...lessons of another time...? And what is the past? What drives me to act on certain emotions in "this" life? Why do I respond to something when my sister who was raised in the same environment responds differently? Could it be possible that those past lives are not really that far in the past? Think about it. What if you consciously remembered all that is hidden in the unconscious?
What experience in my life makes me know something about someone or something with whom I am unfamiliar. It can't be just coincidence. No, I think that instant is much longer than you think. In one flash I can process information from centuries that pertain to your here and now. Ok, so I'm getting a little out there perhaps, but it's true. What if the here and now is really the future? Too many variables that are unkown. Why are you where you are...why am I here? Is it luck or karma? Or part of a journey from the "past"? There is much more to "here" then "now".

Molly,
Hang in there...every journey begins with the first step. Just make sure you pay attention to the "sights" around you and not just the goal. But I'm sure you will...women are gatherers...it's biological! You are in my prayers.
ps. make sure you have a raincoat!

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Hi Folks!
Its been a while since I posted too!
glad to ehar that so many of the "oldies" are doing so well. We al reamember those days when we were so stuck in the middle of problems, I hope that gives hope to some of the others who are experiencing their bad times right now - there is always hope, just try to imagine it at first adn soon you will feel it!

great to hear so many of you are well, Cici - so glad the herbalist is helping you, and Broc! so glad that you are doing so well, always wodered how you were doing!

and all the others too of course.

I am doing good, my life has made a compelte turnaround. My phobias are getting mroe and more under control. My jewellery design business is picking up and my catering business is very busy - which is good because I have learned I am not the type who can owrk for other people!
I stioll get the odd day where I feel lousy but on the whole I am the happiest I have ever been. Life is good, even if the weather is not!
take care all and hope to keep updated with you all
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kitten, I had to respond to the point you made about only using 10% of our brains, which is a very common misconception. In fact, I didn't know it was false until my cognitive psychology class.

Cognitive psych is an entirely experimental area of interest, with applications but no applicable psychologicla theory. Basically, we use the entirety of our brain, but teh devices we have to measure brain use aren't very acurate yet. Also, different areas of the brain are activated during different tasks, for example speech and complex thought comes largely from the frontal lobe. So the 10% thing is actually wrong.

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Kitten.

You asked,"What drives me to act on certain emotions in "this" life?"

(CS)Conditioned stimuli (emotional memories located in the Amygdala in the mid brain) trigger our emotions into an arousal state. These CS are paired with evolutionally derived and biologically inherited survival responses that are also located in the amygdala. Many such pairings occur throughout our whole life. However, in early infancy and early childhood, our lack of cognitive development prevents the generation of matching contextual (event or explicit) memories. So the mind disliking uncertainty, fabricates reasons for feeling certain ways. These fabrications often cause difficulties in relationships with other people. Whereas, the real reason may well be an unconscious (previously learned) fear response to the threat of abandonment and rejection by 'daddy' or 'mommy'.

And, "Why do I respond to something when my sister who was raised in the same environment responds differently?" Because from day one your pre-programmed emotional responses to your environment were different enough from your sisters to ensure that different emotional memory traces were laid down as a result of the same stimulus.

Also, there is no doubt that the mother/infant interactions are a two-way affair. Mothers for all sorts of reasons, react differently to each of their progeny. Several factors influence this interaction. Studies on identical twins have focused on such issues. So I doubt that the 'environment' was exactly the same in your and your sister's case. I suspect that it only appears to be the same.

And, "...what is hiding in the other 90%?" Firstly, I'd like to know who originated this myth and upon what measurement technique such a hypothesis was validated. Secondly, the unconscious processes certainly constitute the vast majority of the processing that takes place. Consciousness is relegated to working memory with it's well documented limitations of a 7 'chunk' capacity maximum and much less in times of severe stress. Under such times of great stress unconscious conditioned responses emerge and we go into survival mode. The amygdala sees to that. After the event, upon cognitive reflection, people are often shocked at their responses. Under stress, I've done things that I would never have done, had I 'thought' about it.

And , "Could it be possible that those past lives are not really that far in the past? " You mean if reincarnation is a reality for us? Or are you speaking of our genetic inheritance? Proving that we existed in past incarnations is impossible. However, investigations certainly sustain the possibility that we have. This is an area of belief and faith, not included within the beliefs and the faith of practitioners of science. I personally have undergone past life regression under hypnosis and experienced so called past lives. I don't know what this proves. It certainly doesn't prove to me that I existed before my conception as the entity that I know as 'me'. There are several other plausible possibilities. I keep an open mind on that topic.

And, "There is much more to "here" then "now". " I have never denied that our future expectations and our past memories do affect the present. In fact I would go so far as to say that both are crucial to giving each of us the very unique instant by instant experiences that we have. In fact this ability to uniquely experience the instant by instant 'here and now'is in my opinion the ultimate justification for any learning at all.

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Whoa...sorry to get everyone up in arms... the 10% thing was merely a statement of potentiality...not an absolute. This is an on-going discussion we are having in our Psychological Learning Theories class. Indeed, I know I use more of my brain than that. In fact I just read a study about listening that shows women listen with two parts of the brain while men listen with only one. You must remember I also have a degree in professional writing, so sometimes I get carried away with the metaphors. "creak, creak..." (the sound of me putting my armor back on!)
Tez,
How very astute of you to make the comment about the environment differing between my sister and myself. She was the prefered child. Possibly because I was more difficult and unruly.(more like my father...) My sister, because of her quiet nature was given more opportunities, while I was given the hand me downs. In the long run, however, I think I fared better. While she is content to stay at home and not use her various academic degrees (prefers knitting) I am on a constant foray into the learning process. It may be difficult juggling three children, my assistantship, lack of a spouse and all the household responsibilities, but so far I'm keeping my head above water. I don't think that dear old sis could do the same thing if she were in my shoes!
As for the past...I'm not sure about past lives. I know certain things about a few of mine (also having done regression) which combined with a near death experience have left me wondering ...WHY? And I mean why me? Why you? Granted, personality is genetic...but in the larger picture,
why do I get to experience what I do? Don't you think we to some degree sign on for every voyage we take? If I need to learn patience I am given the life that involves process? Stepping away from the scientific for a moment...is there some part of the brain that is coded with a mystical message and if we could unlock it would help us to solve all of our haunting questions? Perhaps I've been sitting in front of a computer for too long, but it seems that if we can get into the "bios" of our brain as easily as we can the bios of the PC, we could find the whole "program". And what about Deepak Chopra? Have you read any of his work? Or do you believe that a chair is just a chair and not a reproduction of a chair? Is there really nothing more to life than what we see? Too many questions, and I must go study psychopathology. I promise that I will try to reference anything in the future if it is going to cause problems...a la the APA! Goodnight...

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thought I'd check in. Good to see all who posted.

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Kitten.

Firstly, my style of writing,(engineering protocols) is somewhat stilted at times. This perhaps gives the impression of being "up in arms...". As you well know, the written word is devoid of intonation. This leaves it open for the reader to insert intonations based on past experiences. Wow! Does this lead to miscommunications.

As I said earlier, I rarely get affected emotionally by any postings. The one exception is when sanctimonious, god bothering, bible bashers trigger emotional memories of Irish Christian Brothers in black robes towering above me and flogging me with a monstrous strap for the slightest infringement of their twisted code of behavior - then, preaching the love of god at me 10 seconds later.

You posed the questions, "...but in the larger picture, why do I get to experience what I do?" Now we are in the realm of spiritual belief. Since no two experiential entities are precisely the same, all experiences are in some way unique. Even for the single entity even repetitive experiences differ in some small way. (You cannot put your hand in the same river twice)So... it seems to me that all of our instant by instant experiences have intrinsic value because of their unique nature. But value to whom... that is the profound question. I suspect that there is only one 'Experiencer', experiencing through an infinite number of unique apertures of vulnerability; namely all life forms within the cosmos. That is perhaps why you experience what you do.

And,another " Don't you think we to some degree sign on for every voyage we take?" Perhaps we do. Dr. Helen Wambach (deceased) certainly found that to be true in her empirical research into 'life before life' studies. Yet, I still feel that if this pre-life domain does exist, then such future life planning is still carried out without knowledge of absolute reality. I suspect that such a domain is only a short extension of this earthly plane of existence. But of course this is a loosely held belief without basis in any firm concrete evidence other than that of an anecdotal nature.

And, " If I need to learn patience I am given the life that involves process?" Yes if that is part of your journey through the process of your unique experiencing. My problem comes with the philosophy that we 'do this thing in order that' we attain this outcome or that as if the momentary outcome has value other than as part of another ongoing process.

Put simply, if learning has any value, it is to facilitate yet another differing experience. I find the Christian concept that everything we do should be motivated by loving others in order to attain the outcome of meriting something in an afterlife, or pleasing and appeasing some anthropomorphic god, as repugnant to my rationality. This is not to imply that loving others is wrong. From a cosmic standpoint how can anything at all be 'wrong'. It is only our subjectivity that deems it so. Even my being flogged by a Christian Brother was only subjectively wrong. Though I failed to appreciate it at the time, the experience in its uniqueness had intrinsic worth to the Infinite or it wouldn't have happened. 🙂

Now I really have done it, saying that...

December 6, 2000
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Tez,
I have to admit to a giggle, no a gauffaw at your first two paragraphs. They delighted me so! True, the written word can be a bit cold and vague...devoid of intonation. And yet Shakespeare managed to do it. Guess you just have to go back to class once more...Creative Psychotherapy Writing 101. It's really funny, but one of my former Theories professors told me she had to give me a B in the class because I didn't know how to write. When I reminded her one of my undergraduate degrees was in Professional Writing, she stammered and told me that Counselors don't write that way...I had to be plain and lacking in descriptives. How's that for you? A therapist without feelings, or at least without the ability to describe those feelings!

As for all those theories, including the Christian ones...I believe like some others do that a good theory is one that can be disproven. Is it possible to take away our conditioned response to theory and somehow come up with an outline of the how and whys of life? Do we react to something because it is wrong, or do we react because we have been conditioned to believe that which is not provable? What part does faith play in all of this? And what if those "brothers" actually did something greater than what they thought they were doing: they molded a man who is capable of helping others to a degree even they never imagined? Granted, their behavior was wrong, but would you be as proactive if they hadn't been as aggressive. Now, I am not condoning violence (before anyone gets excited), but who are you? Perhaps those things shaped you...for good reason...but the missing piece is the ability to separate the lesson from the emotion. Or to understand how to use the lesson. Again, to go back to my example of a PC...the lesson was on the page that got deleted and we need to recreate it. We have all read Viktor, but what if he was just two steps short of getting the answer. What if "meaning" needs to be looked at from a place that is free of CR's?

Well, now that I'm sooooo very distracted... I need to go study "Skinner" stuff for a final tommorow. I say, just let the poor mice run free!!!

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