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God answering prayers
February 9, 2001
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What? The bridge flowed? Forgive me if I seem ignorant, please explain?

Msg: Great story, is that why mine are never answered? I should work harder!!!!!!!!

February 9, 2001
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You asked," ...please explain?"

The Zen coan, that I reiterated, is about getting the 'student' to 'see reality'.

The Christian 'reality', as expressly implied by Msg's story, is that there is an external, separate God - in a creator/created relationship with all things - who is deeming to give priority to, amongst other things, answering prayers.

Put in another way, the Christian 'reality' is that everything outside of us has an existence, which in no way depends on us for that existence - only on their God; if we beg hard and long enough our wishes might be granted.

The Zen experience of 'reality' is very different. As one walks across a bridge, one sees the bridge railings, floor etc, moving towards the eyes; that is, the bridge is flowing towards us. This Zen 'reality' implies that all 'external things' are a projection of the 'Universal Mind' that 'flows' out of all living things, synchronously.

My intention in giving this story, in response to Msg's story, was to present another possible, alternative 'reality' to that which some Christians presumptiously proffer as the only 'reality'.

February 12, 2001
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Tez: Prima facie,your story of bridge, monk and river sounded a trifle disrespectful. You have now clarified your position.

Indeed, it is painful to see that people of different faiths seem to think, believe and profess that their religion is the ONLY correct one,belittling the very concept of God in all religions that He is all powerful,all pervading, ever merciful etc.

This is a very human folly !!

February 12, 2001
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You said, "...it is painful to see that people of different faiths seem to think, believe and profess that their religion is the ONLY correct one,..." I agree wholeheartedly.

A 'devout' Christian once said to me that Christianity is an arrogant religion because "the truth is arrogant"!

I feel that truth requires humility, not arrogance. Humility entails seeing "what is" with as much objectivity as is possible for self-centred humanity.

Seeing "what is" requires exploring as many options as possible, barring none. However, when it comes to fear, we all like to cling to our 'old familiar life rafts'. For one born into a Christian society, Christianity becomes that familiar 'life raft'- faith of our fathers and all that. For the Hindu, Hindi religious belief is that 'life raft'.

I have come to the 'realisation' that I have no need of a 'life raft' at all. For there is no ocean in which to drown. There is only the Ocean of all life. How can life drown in Life? Why is there a need for a 'saviour' - other than to free us from our old blinkered conditioning?

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