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God answering prayers
December 7, 2000
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drugfreemeggie
to get back to your original question about prayer, there's a great line from a Garth Brooks song which goes, "One of God's greatest gifts, are unanswered prayers." To me, this is saying that you may not immediately see or understand the meaning of a sad or even tragic event, right away, but in time, it will make sense to you, if you look within yourself for the true meaning. My father died from lung cancer at age 52. I miss him terribly and hardly a day goes by that I don't think about him and wish that I could talk to him just once more. My lesson, don't take anyone for granted. I now try very hard to let the people in my life know how I feel and I make concerted efforts to maximize my time with them. I don't ever again want to hear myself say, "Man, I wish I could talk to him/her just once more." I hope this helps!

December 7, 2000
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Thanks Brenda. I don't know that I'm an angel, ha ha, but I AM opinionated, ha ha. And I make sure everyone knows that opinion.

December 7, 2000
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My mother, who was a saint, died after years of heart problems. After all she'd been through, a hospital procedure gone bad, caused her to have a heart attack and go into a coma and then one month later pass away. I tell people, I don't believe, I know.
I questioned my mother's suffering to the priest at the hospital. He said "that sometimes people like my mother who are so good, have to suffer for those who do not believe"...now, when I see a child on the news hurt or killed especially at the hands of some evil bastard, I do say "why" "how could this happen"...I tend to believe that yes there are "evil" people...and that hurt innocents...but I do believe that God does take care of them too in the end...call me goofy, but God just knowing that God is there helps me get through tough times and makes me give thanks for the great times.

December 7, 2000
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yOU ARE NOT ONLY INTELLIGENT CICI BUT YOU ARE WISE BEYOND YOUR YEARS, I AM GLAD FOR YOUR CONTINUED SOBRIETY AND YOUR ABILITY TO GIVE SO MUCH TO OTHERS. BLESS YOU

December 7, 2000
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Jack, your father does hear and see you, you especially have contact with him during your dreams. Do you ever have vivid dreams of your father and feel as if you were in his presence?
Bless you

December 9, 2000
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December 9, 2000
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vr(j) 8) ^^p^^ skye ^^p^^

December 10, 2000
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December 10, 2000
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December 26, 2000
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Life is suffering.
Understanding and accepting that nothing lasts forever, is suffering.
Times have changed so quickly and religion as changed with it, yet not so quickly. Enlightenment brought with it private religions. Where we have the freedom to find our own answers with god.
I believe god is within us all, good and bad. Yet it is up to us to accept grace into our lives. When we search the world for answers sometimes we search too hard, search within and god is there.
As for prayes not being answered, I believe they are. When I praye, I praye to Jesus Christ, they may seem never to be answered, but they are in some way or other - i can relate here to the rolling stones song too, 'geting what we need not what we want' - patience is hard to learn, but with patience we find ourselves and our relatioship with god.
Wanting is suffering. patience brings the answers to our prayers.

December 26, 2000
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Lewis.

Doesn't "forever" last forever? Who created the "wanting" and thus the "suffering"?

December 26, 2000
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We did.

December 27, 2000
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If we created our own biological survival drives then we and the christian god must be one and the same.

December 27, 2000
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Gingerleigh,

Don't despair. Even the loneliness and emptiness means something. I finally got tired of pretending to know and be known and love and be loved by God I knew from Sunday School, and I sat down and told God I needed to experience something of Him if I was going to be a "Christian" then I sat and I waited. I was so afraid He wouldn't show, so afraid He would... All I know is that I felt a certainty, and I knew I could truly KNOW God and be known by Him, love and be loved by Him. I also know that He doesn't work in a vacuum, He works through people, and sometimes that annoys me. Look for signs of God around you. "God sightings" Especially look in people. YOu're not doing "it" wrong, keep seeking. If you're interested in pursuing Christianity more, then Egg is right. Read the Bible, especially the book of John. If you need to explore other religious beliefs, Tez can give you a list:) Don't give up. You're not alone.

Praying for you,
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December 28, 2000
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Gingerleigh.

Sal, thanks for the plug. šŸ™‚

Sure, I could rattle of a list of different religions. But... I would not think it wise to do so. I believe that the best course of action is to turn within and ask the most fundamental questions of yourself. Then, seek your own answers by pondering and churning the questions for as long as it takes to answer them for yourself.

The result of the above is that over time, you will build up a solid set of structured beliefs that are your very own.

Of course you can choose to take the 'easy' way out and put on 'blinkers'. The 'easier' solution of going to a ready made set of beliefs, is not so 'easy' in the long run. No matter what religion you choose, since these beliefs are second hand, unstructured and not custom made, they will eventually fail you when you need them most. That has been my experience.

December 28, 2000
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Tez
Forever is forever
But what in life is forever?
We try to cage forever
yet we have no permanence in life!

Wanting & suffering is due to mankind.

Tez, How can we have created our own biological survival drives? When we are not the creator??

December 29, 2000
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Lewis.

G'day.

You asked, "But what in life is forever" - The instant.

And you asked, "Tez, How can we have created our own biological survival drives? When we are not the creator??" How do you know that we are not our own creators?

Janes, on 26-Dec, in response to my question "Who created the "wanting" and thus the "suffering"?" was: "We did."

Since all "wanting" is the yearning for perceived needs satisfaction and all perceived needs are ultimately biological survival drive based, Janes' answer implies that we created our evolutionally produced biological drives. This implies that Janes believes that we are the creators of our own unconscious drives. Since the christian bible states that we were created by God in the image and likeness of Himself, and since, according to Janes, we create our own drives, which effectively define who we are as human beings, then it follows that we are our own Creator. The above logic is based on biblically stated christian belief and Janes answer.

The above is not my logic. But, from a totally different first premise and logical derivation, I come to the same conclusion, that we did create ourselves. I therefore totally agree with Janes answer "We did"; but for a different reason, I suspect.

Maybe Janes would discriminate between the 'meat' and the 'psyche' as being independent dualities. But I have no right or basis to pre-empt Janes by suggesting this possibility. In thiss regard, I see no such demarcation or duality.

December 30, 2000
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What about nature?
what about evolution?
Isn't there something outhere that we do not intervene with?
I cannot get to grips with being our own biological creators.
If we look back at nature we can see change due to enviromental stimuli and behavioural change. What i'm suggesting is, how can we be in control, when we cannot forsee the outcome of our ways in the future.????????

December 31, 2000
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Lewis.

There's a guy called Dr. John Wren-Lewis, (a rellie?), who is a highly regarded physicist. He was an athiest and a skeptic.

Some years ago, he 'died' and 'came back'. He remembered nothing of his near death experience. However, since his NDE, he has lived in an unearned 'now'. He still holds down his job, yet he is in a constant state of 'nowness'. He gained for nothing that which mystics, shamans, yogis, etc strive for over many decades; that is, samhadi, transcendence, self-realisation etc.

Dr. J. Wren-Lewis describes his 'reality' as emanating from the 'radiant dark', the origins of the Cosmos, the Supreme life force, and concentrating through the back of his head. He even put his hand around the back of his head to be sure that there wasn't a great gaping hole there.

Now to the point: He says that each instantaneous event is projected from the 'radiant dark', each being independent of each other event. This seems to correlate with the quantum physics' concepts of photons coming into and out of existence with no seeming causal connectedness with each other.

Like, Dr. John Wren-Lewis, I am suggesting that 'all' emanates from and is a manifestation of one supreme consciousness, a 'radiant dark'. Thus, 'cause' and 'effect' are both interdependent correlates, not independent/dependent variable functions as commonly believed.

From my perspective, we are not outside of nature, but an integral part. We, I suspect, are all the 'radiant dark' knowing vulnerability, love, etc from within the confines of our ignorance of our true nature. This ignorance is an absolute prerequisite to experiencing the full gamut of our humanity and therefore is perfect in its imperfection.

I suspect that there is no 'we' just an 'I', who manifests through a myriad focal points and orchestrates the whole 'show' beyond the illusions of space, time and energy. Thus, I maintain that 'I'/'we'/'Self' is (are) creator(s) of the whole gamut of human emotional and cognitive experiences which includes 'wanting' and 'suffering'.

But... based on my own beliefs, I can never know for sure the absolute truth. Ironic , eh. šŸ™‚

January 2, 2001
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I guess we'll never really know, I like wondering at the wonder of things though.
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January 2, 2001
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Lewis.

So do I.

Over many years, I've churned over my life's experiences, placing bits that don't fit my jigsaw on hold. Invariably these bits are taken up as the jigsaw has fallen into place. By now a 'model' has been formed that seems to answer most of life's questions for me.

I am under no illusion that I might possess any absolute truth. At best, my 'model' might be a very crude analogy for what 'is'. But, as I said, I believe that I can not know for sure and still live in this state of ignorance. I believe that,if I did ever 'know' absolute reality, I would leave my body instantly.

As for the wonder of things, it's a great wonder that anything exists at all. One has only to contemplate the nature of the extremities of the universe to be mind boggled.

I suspect that all is 'thought', a 'dream' in the 'Universal Mind'. I suspect that each of us is some 'part' of that 'Mind' 'dreaming'. It's interesting that the Australian Aboriginies over here have a seemingly similar concept of the 'Dreaming'. But we sit on our christian high horses and look down on their beliefs as being equivalent to the fairy stories in our children's nursery books. Yet their Jadika men (shamans) have great powers that we do not comprehend. We are the 'blinkered' ones, not them.

Ignorance is not really bliss; it is the cause of much suffering. Happy New Year.

January 8, 2001
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HAPPY NEW YR TOO.
Now I liked that response Tez.
For yrs while I grow up, such a horrid thing too, I've always been asking questions, I wish I'd had the internet then. I wouldn't have felt so strange.
U mention how we look at other religions from an elite perspective, u know i wonder why there are so many? And which one to choose? It's like shopping!
To end I shall say we need to believe, we need magic to stay sane.

January 9, 2001
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Hello My Friends
I am praying for all of you. I pray to my Lord and savior Jesus Christ. If you want to know him read the Bible.His biography is in it.He created the heavens and the earths and when I die I am going to heaven.Those who do not believe in him will be going to the smoking section in hell. Life is not easy for me and it won't be easy for you and it most certainly was not easy for Jesus.He was born,he suffered,he cried ,he had pain,he bleed and he died.He is God and look at all he went through to reconcile with you.You can accept him or reject him you do have free will.You must also accept the consequences of your rejecting him.There will be consequences.
Faith is what it takes to believe in Jesus.Faith is "Being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see". Hebrews 11:1
Can you see the air? are you making your own heartbeat? NO.
God is real. If you search for him like you were searching for gold you will find him and the truth. He is the only one whoever started and stopped time. What do BC & AD mean.
There is so much evidence you need only be true in your search. I will help you if you like.He is coming back. Jesus is coming for those who except him as Lord and Savior.
You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.Read
Romans 10:9-10. Do not be left behind.
If you have any questions write me at [email protected]

Jesus Loves you
Jesus saves

January 9, 2001
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Lewis.

You are right, we do need to believe in something - even if it is only that there is some ultimate purpose to our 'being'- in order to "stay sane". With our developed cognitions, there comes the terrible knowledge of our own mortality; thus the emergence of religions as a panacea; an opiate of the masses as Karl Marx(?) put it.

You said, "i wonder why there are so many?" I think that there are many religions because there are so many different cultures. Had the fundamentalist Christian been born in India, he/she would probably have been a fundamentalist Hindu. I suspect that religious belief is, to some extent, a function of social conditioning.

And you said, "... And which one to choose? It's like shopping!" In my case, I firstly had to break the shackles of my christian brainwashing. I then did some 'shopping' around. I spent some months living in a 'spiritual university' in India, as it was called. It was really an ashram. I 'visited' many different religions in Australia. In the end I realised that I was distrusting my own abilities to think for myself. I was looking for so called authorities to tell me what was true. What a joke that was. There are so many authorities that 'know' absolute truth. Yet they disagree with each other. Hmmmm! I've come to the arrogant conclusion that I have as much chance of possessing absolute truth as they have; buckly's and none!

This freed my to open my mind to all without desparately grasping at any one belief system. That's been my experience.

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Egg.

Been there, done that trip, and found it wanting.

Thanks for your kind intentions though. It's really nice of you.

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