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final post to Kathy.
August 13, 2005
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I am not going on with this you are NOT going to get me to do so either.. If you are the kind and considerate person that everyone here says you are.. And I would like to believe so too. Then please reaad ALL the posts that I had written yesterday evening. YOu might feel differently because I know I sure do. If you choose not to see the big picture than I am given no other choice but to leave this site.. I am going to hope that you can see it in your heart to be fair and reasonable and try to understand where I was comming from.. this is all I have to say about it and will not be reposting unless I hear otherwise from Kathy that I am still welcome here.. It seems to me that this is the only fair thing that I can do..

August 13, 2005
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I have to also add that last night I was feeling really good about this and was not expecting this when I turned my pc on this morning.. I thought I had made myself clear as to where I had been wrong.. but obviously that does not matter and I am beginning to feel as if that is called retalliation. I hope I am wrong..because I really do need the support given here.

August 13, 2005
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Forever,

I responded to you on your other thread and now I will post on this one....for the last time.

You have started many, many threads....all addressing this same issue. Sometimes it is hard to follow just one thread, let alone the many that you have started.

May I suggest that you stick to one thread so that others can follow along and respond accordingly.

Perhaps this is whay Kathy didn't see your "change of heart"

Just my opinion....

Lolli

August 13, 2005
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Forever, I wholeheartedly agree with Lolli on this one. Please remember that we are ALL hurting here. We ALL have our issues that grieve us. That being said, I know for me, that this "drama" the last couple of days has sucked some energy from me, and that is something I CANNOT afford right now. We come here for support, not conflict. I understand that sometimes that will happen, but I believe the BEST thing you can do is drop this and move on. Please do not continue to post directly to Kathy or anything else further about the misunderstanding that has transpired between you. It is draining, to say the least.

Most of us here have been VERY supportive of you and are sensitive to your pain. Please continue to talk about Matt here, and we will listen. You are as welcome here as anyone else, and there is NO reason for you to feel you must leave. But if you DECIDE to do so, then that is your right. Please do what is best for YOU. You are the only one who knows what that is.

I have appreciated MANY of your posts, and do not mind if you must post in caps in order to see what you are writing. I certainly understand it, and I'm sure the others do also. It's just something that is specifically spelled out in the guidelines as a no-no, and none of us understood why you were doing it until you told us. That's all. No harm intended!

Please believe me when I say my heart aches for you. I know that some days can be devastating. It is apparent that you are fragile right now. And that's what we are here for. To pull each other up when another is down. To offer some "hope" when we aren't feeling any.

As for me, I will not continue to read or respond to this drama. It is counterproductive, and I need energy when I come here, not have it sucked out of me. I think it's obvious that the codependency has kicked in from many of us, and we are desperately trying to "beg you to stay". I will not do that again. I said it once, and the rest is up to you.

Whatever, you decide, I wish you peace in your life, my friend. We all deserve that! Take care, precious forever. You are loved!!!

(((((forever)))))) from plz

August 13, 2005
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I agree. I appreciated our postings last night, and hope that I was able to help in some small way.

I think it is important to get feelings out, especially when we are grieving so very much.

Yesterday's misunderstanding is not important in the grand scheme of things.

It will be okay.

August 13, 2005
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plz,

I can understand why you would feel that the energy has been sucked out of you and am sorry for that. I too need this place to be safe and peaceful.

I will not say another word here about this except that when I read that forever had a change of heart towards me I thought that was a good thing, however, then I read the post where I was called a mean and nasty person and more. I was so upset that I was shaking like a leaf. I needed to respond to that directly before I could let it go.

Now I have done that and will drop the issue. I do feel that it is my right to stand up for myself when I am abused like this. I am sorry it was upseting to other people here. It is over now as far as I am concerned. I will not say another word about it.

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August 13, 2005
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Kath -

You're a class act. I mean that. And you did help 4ever, by standing up for yourself and being you.

Respect is due. A good example for all of us.

August 13, 2005
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I agree.....

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August 13, 2005
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I too have taken note to what was said.. I may not agree with everythnbg but I would also like to put this as far behind me as possible and consider it another lesson well learned..

I do not now nor have I ever wished ill will on anyone and I repeat I am not an abusive person and feel very bad that you feel that way., we all have a right to our own oppinion,

Again, I do want to say that it was one way to see to it that I went to a meething, I an still not too sure how it helped yet, but at least I went and this I would not have done otherwuse,,

Also like I had said before I feel bad that it had to have been at Kathys expence..

I wish to move on from this now and have peace restored here for the sake of everyone who comes here.. I honestly ment to cause no harm to anyone. Please believe this.

August 13, 2005
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forever and a day,

Sending you my love. I will keep you in my prayers at this painful time.

Thank you so much for what you said.

kathy

August 13, 2005
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Now you two dear, equally valid, equally deserving fellow sisters-in-suffering, just have a hug.

(((((Kathy / Forever )))))

So glad to see a glimmer of hope at your apologies, acceptance, and mutual support. It cheers my aching, lonely, despairing heart.

Love & blessings - gazelle.

Matt is with you, inside your heart, where nothing can take him away or spoil your lovely memories. Keep him there and communicate with him in your soul, like I do with my dear, late Dad (the only person who ever really loved me, who died so long ago, and without whom I would be nothing.)

"All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well". - by Julian of Norwich, that lady Christian mystic.

August 13, 2005
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NOW THIS IS WHAT THIS SITE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT!!!!!!

Love to all of you,

Lolli

August 13, 2005
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I would STILL like to tell Kathy THANK YOU for stepping on my toes and getting me out the door last night. It was extremely painful but in hindsite.. it was very much needed.. It had to be done and like I said before IF Matt could have done it himself he would have done that exact same thing. Somehow he always knew how to get me motivated. I only wonder if he could have had something to do with that... it never hurts to think...

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