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exercising...what are doing to take care of us?
January 10, 2002
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I don't know about the cheerleader thing but I am beside you all the way Blondie hell that goes for all of the tribe. WE can all be in healthy shape in Vegas. Just a though!!!

January 10, 2002
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Good Morning all--OK, everyone off the couch, out of that lazy boy, up on your feet.
NO, NO--STOP THROWING THINGS--OUCH--THAT LAST ONE HURT!!
Blondie--as promised--I did some research in the books that I have at home but I havent' gotten through them all yet--BUT--here is what I've found out so far--first off with any skeletal injury in addition to the initial damage--arthritis has a tendency to set in and is compounded by the inability to perform normal range of motion exercises because of the pain--exercise is crucial--keep on moving even though it hurts--movement and any weight bearing exercise will help improve bone density--yoga is great for that as is walking-but with your limitations--swimming is next on the list.
In the section on pain control in my nutritional healing book, I first noticed acupuncture and acupressure--which I know that you are already becoming involved in but I also saw a section on "guided imagery"
which is a mind-body healing technique.
Write or call for info:
The Academy of Guided Imagery, P.O. Box 2070, Mill Valley, CA 94942; telephone 800-726-2070
There is an herbal substance for pain but I hesitate to recommend it to you because the book stresses that it shouldn't be taken by anyone with an anxiety disorder--so it's mind control for you, my girl.

OK-healthy women between 40-50 need 1000 mgs. of CALCIUM a day--if there are any indications of osteoporous or injury--up to 1800 mg a day--healthy women over 50 need 1200mg a day.
Foods that contain calcium are milk, dairy foods, salmon(with bones)sardines, green leafy vegetables, almonds(raw), asparagus, blackstrap molasses, brewers yeast, broccoli, buttermilk, cabbage, carob, cheese, collards, dandelion greens,kale,kelp,mustard greens, watercress,whey and yogurt.
Hrbs that contain calcium are alfalfa, burdock root, cayenne, chamomile, chickweed, chicory,eyebright,fennel seed,fenugreek,flaxseed, hops, horsetail, kelp, lemongrass,mullien,nettle,oat straw,paprika,parsely,pepermint,plantain,rasberry leaves,red clover,rose hips,shepherd's purse,violetleaves,yarrow and yellow dock. If this is too much work Caltrate with D is a good supplement--for you I'd take 1000 mg a day.

VITAMIN D is needed for absorbtion of calcium as is BORON.
Exposing your face and arms to the sun for 15 minutes, 3 times a week is an effective way to get vitamin D--it is formed in the body in response to the action of sunlight on the skin.
Food sources that contain vitamin D are all fish liver oils particularly cod liver oil, fatty salt water fish, dairy products, butter, dandelion greens, egg yolks, halibut, liver, milk,oatmeal, salmon, sardines, sweet poatoes, tuna,and vegetable oils. Herbs that contain vitamin D include alfalfa, horsetail, nettle and parsley. You can take calcim with D(see above) again if this is too much for you.
BORON aids in calcium absorption and helps to prevent postmenopausal osteoporosis and build muscle. Boron is found in apples, carrots, grapes, leafy vegetables, nuts, pears and grains. If you choose to take a supplement do not exceed 3mg of boron daily.

BROMELAIN is good for swelling and the best source is fresh--not canned--pineapple. I buy a pineapple a week and eat 3/4 inch slice everyday in my cereal-yum.
GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE about 1000 mg a day--the body masnufactures it so the only way to get more of it is to take a supplement.
So, I'll keep on reading and searching and you do the same--and get a second(or third or fourth opinion--there are always new discoveries being made.

And for CiCi--I know nothing about scoliosis but a bit about pilates--and I like it.

What happened to moderation for God's sake?--that's us westerners for you--go faster-- go farther-- gotta do more than everyone else. It takes all my effort to not fall for that old western hype I was raised with.

Something everyday--that's it--simple, non-competitive and definitely MY WAY.

So, EVERYBODY UP--yes, you too gypsy and damaged.

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January 10, 2002
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All that talk of food made me hungry. I don't know about the fish though.

January 10, 2002
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scoliosis is a curvature of the spine. It's actually very common in women but most of us are too short for it to be noticed. It makes your back look like an "S". My older sister has it and had to wear a backbrace 23 hours a day for 2 1/2 years! She still has problems. My Mom also has it, one leg is shorter than the other so she limps. I also have one leg slightly shorter than the other.

But anyways, scoliosis can cause chronic neck pain because your spine is all out of alignment. Sucks.

January 10, 2002
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Small brag here... I went to the gym today and rode the bike for 40 minutes. Doesn't seem like much, but the fact that I did indeed drag my lazy butt out of bed at 5:30 makes me feel more like I ran 10 miles *grin*

Wish me luck and strength to keep up with it. Those hard bods at the gym ain't got nothin' on Gingerleigh!

*gasp* *wheeze* *pant*

January 10, 2002
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I gave up Moutian Dew, dosent that count for something?

January 10, 2002
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It all counts,gypsy.

CiCi--it sounds like pilates would be great for you.

HOORAH!! for ginger HOORAH!! 40 minutes is plenty--30 minutes is enough--everyday--this is your LIFE your talking about here.

Your not trying to be a super athelete--just get healthy--there is no one to compare yourself to or to compete with--you go, girl.

And the panting and wheezing will stop--if--(here it comes--get ready)--

YOU DO SOMETHING EVERYDAY!!

Love ya'll--Artist:)

January 10, 2002
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Cici--- Pilates is alot like yoga, it is great, but real expensive around here, it was invented by a chiro if I recall, great for back injuries and pain. I was a good girl and got back to yoga this morning, however, this sounds dumb but the pain in my feet is really getting in the way, I have tried to put my weight back in my heels, and damn you should see the color red they turn from the blood flow, any suggestions ?

Blondie---- water exercise I swear is I think going to be the best for you, maybe even better than some of the yoga moves, yet, with the yoga breathing, remember like a baby, when you in hale bloat out the stomach, and when you exhale bringing in the belly button to the spine, so much better than a sit up, and since well its been 3-4 months now, my back pain is gone, I think it was loose stomach muscles, har har har. You can do so much with the breath work alone, it will be great for your anxiety, I don't know how I would have made it through the last6 weeks with out it, and you guys, focus....

Janes--- before you go back to St. Johns Wart, have you ever heard of SAMe ? I take it for 6 weeks every now and then when I feel that ole depression sinking in. It not only works on depression, but joint aches, and detoxes the liver. There is information on line. I swear I take three a day first thing in the morning, and well needless to say it works for me.

The other thing we have to remember is to eat.... I know I gained most of my weight by not eating, I have watched many on the zone diet really change their energy, and drop weight, eating 5 times a day and snacks to keep the metabolism going and sugar levels even. Eating small har har har meals 40-30-30 before you get hungry, and water water water.....

January 10, 2002
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Molly, what is the pain from?--try the seated postures of which there are many.
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January 10, 2002
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When I asked my instructor she said your just using the muscles different, and damn I guess so. She has a really good routine, where we go from standing to plank to chatarunga, to down dog, sun salutation she calls it, then going into a squat where we are like in prayer position, then twist with elbow to the right, then left, by then the toes around the balls of the feet are screaming about 15-20 minuets into the class. I have tried to reposition the weight to the heels, and looking at my mat, you can see how the whole foot has dug in, my toes have spread a bit more, which I guess is important, I don't know may be time ? There should be somesort of exercise that would help to condition them, I guess I need monkey feet. it reminds me of the pain I used to get in my shoulders until I learned how to position my wings, to keep my shoulders out of my ears. To those that haven't done yoga, this I am sure sounds really wierd, or I am really flexable, ok I am wierd and flexable.

January 10, 2002
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Molly one of the only reasons I like you is because you are wierd, you know the moon thing and all. No really I thing thats is so good for everyone to talk about there exercising or lack of exercising. I haven't rode since Sunday and I am ok with that. I have a job were I am on my feet all day and I lift and do alot of walking so I guess that makes up for some of it. However, my goal is to ride some on my day off tomorrow at the river. I am very proud of everyone for going to it.

January 11, 2002
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KOOL, enjoy, Blondie! I love walking in the morning--the world is so quiet--or quieter-depending on your neighborhood--give me a chance to think--and gets my heart started. I have a park across the street from my house with biking and walking paths that run along the bayou--lots of fish, turtles, and birds--the bayou is about as close as we get to nature in Houston--I feel energized from the glimpses of nature as much as I do the walking.

OOH, OOH, I almost forgot. I made a personal discovery last March that changed my eating habits.
I was having a problem back then with my knees--stiffness, joints cracking when I moved and swelling and pain. I figured I was following family tradition and getting my turn at arthritis. About this time a friend of mine emailed me some info on aspartame and the most recent studies had linked aspartame to joint problems , like arthritis--and systemic lupus. At that time I was depending on aspartame A LOT and considering that my right leg had just swelled to 3 times it's size--I got scared. So I quit using it.
The first thing I noticed was that my taste buds were so conditioned to the amount of sweetener I had been using that very sweet fruits like pineapple and bananas and cantelope didn't have a lot of flavor for me but as months passed my taste buds became conditioned to the normal flavors and now I don't use any sweeteners with the possible exception of the occasional tsp. of honey in my tea.
So, please, please, please--get rid of the aspartame in you diets ya'll--if you use it--no diet sodas(there is SO MUCH aspartame in diet sodas)I drink fruit juices, herb tea, water or milk and the 2 cups of coffee I allow myself every day.
No, I don't have any proof that the aspartame was connected to the swelling in my knee but within a month after I stopped using it the swelling, pain and stiffness were gone and it hasn't come back. That was the only change in my diet or lifestyle. But whether or not it was responsible,I can live without it, anyway--the few extra calories that I gain from using honey instead when needed are nothing and I can taste the true flavors of foods again. It also gives me pleasure to thumb my nose at Monsanto who chemically is trying to control our lives under the guise of improving them. It's worth thinking about.
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January 11, 2002
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Molly, I'm so glad that your foot problem isn't a result of some injury. I know the positions that you describe except the squat in a prayer position--is that something like what Ishta yoga calls an awkward chair, where you start in mountain pose and then bend your knees as deeply as you can and hold it then raise your arms straight over your head, then hold that then bring your hands together in front of your chest and hold that and then release standing again. Ishta is a mix of 15 different types of yoga so I'm sure there are differences. Anyway, for your feet, try this--kick your shoes off at work on lunch or break and once you get your balance in mountain pose, raise up on the balls of your feet and hold it, breathe in and out for a couple of breathes then slowly lower down-repeat as often as you like. Also practice spreading your toes as wide as you can and equally distribute your weight on the entire foot while in mountain pose. Focus on your breathing. Yes, time and practice are what will do it. The more you do, the more you can do. I'm still fairly new to yoga. I just started in August and there are postures that are difficult for me but I notice improvement every time I do my yoga workout. Yoga hooked me because I needed to balance my workouts with stress release. A perk I hadn't planned on was the wonderful shift of focus away from the western need to compete--in yoga the effort is what counts, not how well you do--just simply that you do--this is a philosophy that I can get behind and for me to succeed at any endeavor the motivation is what is most important.

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January 11, 2002
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Thanks for the tip on the aspartame, Artist. I think I'll quit drinking that diet stuff. It leaves an aftertaste anyway.

Went to the gym again this morning. Two days in a row, what's the world coming to? Tomorrow is my day off, then snowboarding on Sunday at Stevens Pass. Come on up to Washington anyone who wants to join me. I'll be easy to spot since I'll be the one on my a$$ cussin' my head off and limping towards to lodge bar.

January 11, 2002
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Ooh, ginger my hat is OFF to you,g.f.
I am a refugee of the frozen north--N.Y.S. and I'll tell you what I told most of my friends back home--I never willingly wanted to throw myself down a mountain--there are many things that I will do--this is not one of them--I admire you for it--take care of you.

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January 11, 2002
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Damn, that is just what my instructor said, but will do those streaches in the out of class time, har har just like my two minuets of breath of fire work. But really that stuff works better than any sit up I ever did.
Well after pondering for a few weeks, signed up for the UCR classes on yoga, not practice, but study. So, guess I will have to learn to speak Sanskrit, its not even phonetic, how will I get through this ? There really is so much more to yoga than meets the eye.
Thanks for the reminder of the aspartane, chemicals, go figure. I don't use it, but Sybil darn, he can go through three sodas in one night, and being diabetic, makes the excuse that its ok to use that crap, but I am sure its a part of his problems too. Perhaps I could lie and say its the cause of his bp ?
there is so much chemical stuff that we consume and we just don't have a clue of the consequences.

January 11, 2002
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Hey, Molly, are you pulling your kneecaps up with your quads while in mountain pose? Actually my instructor reminds us to do this constantly. But I do Iyengar, which is really strict about posture and the minute muscle adjustments of the pose.

BKS Iyengar says to focus from the top down. Get into the pose and then focus your eyes on the "brain" of the pose. Like, in down dog the brain is in the lower back and abdomen, you know? Anyways, then you focus on minute muscle adjustments and when you're *there*, you get into the mental yoga and start burning away obstacles and impurities in your spirit. Klesas, we call them in Buddhism.

I also lift my toes up and spread them apart and then press them into the ground in mountain pose, this is supposed to evenly spread the skin on teh soles of your feet. In Iyengar we use props, so if someone feels a lot of pressure on the tops of their feet (like in upward dog when you arch your back and tense your quads), the instuctor just puts a blanket underneath them.

I think Hatha and Iyengar are the best style to start with because they're easily accessible. Iyengar is great because anyone can do the poses, there's a 70 year old man with REALLY bad knees in one class, but the teacher just props him up with blocks and bolsters and blankets. Iyengar believes that you can benefit from the pose even if you can't do it fully, which is why he's so big about props. This is because the poses themselves are like internal acupressure, you massage acupressure points INSIDE your body in the different poses using your breath. So if you can't get into the pose, you can use props to hold you there so you can still get the benefits.

OK, done with my rant! :))

January 11, 2002
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What to do with me the 30 something? I'm as skinny as skinny gets,smoker, and well chase 14mth old for exercise!hehe I want to gain weight look better! I have the blond hair(bottle)hehe and the blue eyes, boobs i'll have to buy! but i do have nice legs if well they weren't sticks of course! See how long it took me to come to this site?lol I know nothing about exercise. Does it TRULY make you feel better? What if I lose too much weight? I am 5'5 and weigh only 112 lbs. I'm too skinny guys HELP!

January 11, 2002
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If you're too skinny exercise will actually make you GAIN weight (weird, huh?).

I used to be a normal weight but I have a digestive disease that still sometimes interferes with eating. I tend to eat enough to equal one meal throughout the day because I digest food slo-o-o-owly. But exercise actually helped me put on weight. I also drink protein shakes a lot in the mornings for breakfast because it's all I can stomach (ha ha) - those are good for puttin' on the pounds. Plus when you gain weight your boobs will get fuller. They are, after all, just sacs of adipose tissue (as my Mom always said) - sacs of fat! They swell when you're preggers and breastfeeding b/c of the glands underneath the fat, but basically it's just fat.

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Cici--- thanks, the program at UCR is all Iyengar, it is the first university program, and controlled primarily from India. My first class anatomy and physiology, a real bio class, for yoga. I will do what you suggested, and yea I am pulling up my knees. Its just different muscles in my feet that need to get a work out, time I guess. I take the Iyengar I on Tuesday. Get this, I think Sybil is actually going to go to a class with me, tonight, will share reports later.

Sygg, you have to do it, you just have to go to the library get a tape and try it. I know your broke so you can't join any where, but you just can't even imagine what it will do for you, emotionally, physically, and psychologically. Three days of exercise has proven to be better than chemical antidepressants. Going to the park like I suggested, walking great to get that serotonin going.
The yoga will also help you to stop smoking or at least reduce it, till your ready to quit. Your smoking out of stress and frustration, but if the next time you get that urge, you take ten deep breaths, yoga style, it should help clear your mind, and relieve the tension. You will gain weight but good weight if you work out, muscle vs fat. Not only that doing the right moves, will change that skinny butt into a shapely one.
don't even go with the buying boobs thing, I swear, the grass is always greener, and ok, so they were great for catching guys, but they are so heavy, always in the way, can't wear certain clothes, always have to have that damn wired harness, and its all fat any how. The store bought ones, well hey I have seen some good and some bad, its the luck of the draw, and then I hear you have to get them replaced... so, do your self a favor, and love what you have. They never stay over your shoulder when your jogging any how.

January 11, 2002
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The yoga stuff all sounds great... I would love to try it, but I have a confession to make... I am *the* most inflexible female on the planet. I'm serious. Most men I know can outstretch me. I can barely touch my toes, and it's not that I'm so fat I can't get over my gut... I'm 5'9" and 140 lbs. I'm just really really "tight", which is one of the reasons I shy away from doing typically "feminine" exercises like dancing or aerobics. Snowboarding may be dangerous, but at least I can bend my knees to buckle my bindings 🙂

Can I, the great inflexible one, still do yoga? Are there any types of yoga that would work for someone who has an extremely limited range of motion?

January 11, 2002
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We all start out limited trust me, its a slow process. You can start, miss legs, even in heels, just bend over and hang, you will have your hands touching the ground in no time. I liked to do it in heels, because when my fingers touched the ground that way, I could put my palms down to the ground bare foot. Sit on your arce and spread the legs out to a V, rather than trying to touch your toes, from the base of your spine lean foreward, and just think chest to the ground, gravity takes over.
Standing up, take a towel, thin kitchen towle types are best, or an old tee shirt, put it in one hand, and toss it over your shoulder, with the other hand reach from behind, let your fingers walk up till your hand meet, on each side, after about a month you should be able to do it with out the towl, put your hands on the ground, and have those hands around your toes. Do not bounce to push your efforts, but put your brain into it, the body responds. Shame on you, you should streach before and after working out, could be the cause of your leg pain.

January 11, 2002
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I'm big into exercise. I am a runner, but really have not trained at all. I ran a marathon over a year ago and have done a few triathlons.
Training for the triathlons made me lose major weight b/c of the crosstraining (probably too much as I experienced amenorrhea).
The triathlons also caused less injury than marathons. I still run for fun, but haven't trained for anything for awhile. Lately, I've been eating like crap, but did run this week and did Tae Bo 4x this week. I feel fat this week. I know I can still wear a size 3 (and am 5'3"), but everything's goin' south these days.
I don't care for the gym I go to and am considering membership to another gym.
For one thing, my present gym does not have a pool. This one has an indoor pool and H20 classes.

Blondie-I agree that the H20 classes are the best along with swimming and whatever weight training you can tolerate. I do some work with people with disabilities. I believe that anyone, despite limitations and a wheelchair can do almost anything they want (including be a sex goddess). However, if this can be avoided for the sake of your health, that would be awesome!
OK, I'll shut the h#ll up already!
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1st sentence-what I meant to say is that I haven't trained for anything "lately". I don't think it's humanly possible to do marathons, duathlons or triathlons w/o training.

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Just wanted to drop a note to say, make sure your doing it for you. I started going to the gym for the bf. Well I found taht before starting I could eat whatever I wanted, never move and look just fine. Started going to the gym, built muscle. Lost interest...Guess what happens to that muscle...yup flab. I am trying to get motivated to go back, but they all know the whole bg saga at the gym, and I just don't feel like talking about it. I try at home, but its too easy to get back on the couch. I mean I put on that Tae Bo tape. Wow are those people nuts!!! Thanks for the motivation though maybe I will try not to be so intimidated and go back to the gym.

P.S. Blondie tryed the Hagan Daas...Yum...now I'm hooked.

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