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December 17, 2002
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I am just wondering how others feel about this situation. I keep hearing on my local news about this guy who moved to my state and he is a registered sex offender. Well the town he lives in dosen't want him there so they took it to court and the judge ruled that he had to leave the town. They gave him a time limit to leave by. As far as I know he hasn't done anything else wrong besides being a sex offender.

Has our country gone as far as to kick people out of their homes because of past crimes? To tell them that they cannot live here? I dislike sex offenders as much as the next guy, but come on he paid his price right? Isn't this country based on God? Dosen't God forgive? I thought we stood for second chances.

December 17, 2002
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I know it seems harsh gypsygirl, but if you had a child who was molested by one of these people, you wouldn't want them anywhere near your children or anyone else's for that matter. Sure God forgives, forgiveness is divine, but sometimes people make bad choices that unfortunately will follow them for the rest of their lives. Many times these sex offenders are not given anything in order that they may recover while they are incarcerated, from whatever drives them to behave in that manner and they are released only to repeat crimes of a similar nature. I think that people in the neighborhoods have a right to know that a sex offender is moving to their neighborhood, especially if they can show that there hasn't been any treatment given to that person. Sometimes our choices have harsh consequences.

December 17, 2002
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Yeah, but I never liked the whole notification law to begin with. It's too vague and generally worthless the way it acts now. All people know is that there is a "sex offender" in the neighborhood. There's a difference between adult rape, child rape, and statutory rape... but megan's law doesn't discriminate at all. It's only a matter of time before the news is going to do a story on the unfair aspects of the law as some 20 year old guy gets busted for having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend and has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life wherever he goes.

Oh yeah, do people busted for indecent exposure or anything related to that have to be a registered sex offender too? Just curious.

December 17, 2002
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Ya know, that is kind of weird. I mean, it's a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? In knowing the checkered past of various people in the community, you kind of rob them of the basic right to privacy. Like, the whole point of notifying the community is so that you can keep an eye on that individual, rather than just force them out of the community. There are things about my past I certainly know that others would judge me on.

But having been molested myself I am conflicted. I think people should have a right to live, but then again sex offenders are despicable....ah this is a hard one.

December 17, 2002
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Slippery slope indeed. How is a murderer any less despicable than a sex offender? Both violate basic human rights of others. But one is subject to Megan's law, and the other is not. You might find this link about Megan's Law interesting.

Yes, actions have consequences, but this reminds me a bit of the Scarlet Letter, except that rather than sewing an A on someone's sweater, we're tattooing it permanently on their forehead. I'd be the last person to say we should defend the sex offender, especially given my own experiences. But it seems like barbaric, eye for an eye logic. If we are wary of the person, thinking they may indulge in repeat behavior, why release them at all? We wouldn't release a non-reformed serial killer from prison, would we?

Need to chew on this some more.

December 17, 2002
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Well, actually, I didn’t think they could “make” you move for being a registered sex offender. Perhaps there is more to the story…but even so, I don’t think you can do that in Ohio, deprive a person of a place to live. Wouldn’t the ACLU have a field day with that, isn’t that some sort of prejudice?

I’m all for knowing where the sex offenders are, I would rather know if there is one down the street from me with easy access to me or my loved ones. That said, it doesn’t give me any heads up on the guy who has never been convicted but is a sicko just the same and who knows who or when he will strike, but like I said, I’d rather know.

In the county in which I live we have the names and addresses and their classifications on the Internet, easy enough to find. Not only do I have a 2 year old granddaughter in the area, I have a 26 year old beautiful dil, and to say nothing of all the other children and women around. I want to know where they are, I wish they had pictures, they do but only of the “habitual sexual predators”.

I don’t feel sorry for them being on the Internet, they may have “done their time” but fact is, they are prone to strike again. We all know they do not get the help they need or the supervision, some of them are like time bombs. Statistically, I don’t know if it prevents crimes, but I feel better knowing.

If a sexual predator was living down the street from me, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t want him there, but I don’t know that we could make him leave because of our dislike or our fears, it is America after all, paid his debt and all that stuff.

I posted the info off the website just to give you an idea of what some of the counties in Ohio are doing to handle this. It is a federal thing though…. Gypsy, keep us posted, I’m interested in seeing if they do actually make him leave. Is this in New Mexico?
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Introduction to Ohio’s Sex Offender Registration and Notification Law
The 1997 Federal Crime Act contained a provision called “The Jacob Wetterling Act,” which required all states to pass a sex offender registration and notification law or face the loss of millions of dollars in federal crime prevention funds.
“Megan’s Law” was the first of these types of statutes. It was passed by the New Jersey Legislature in 1994. The law was named after 7-year-old Megan Kanka who was abducted, raped, and murdered by an ex-convict who had two prior convictions for sex crimes against young girls. All 50 states now have sex offender registration laws; 49—including Ohio—require some form of notification.
The Ohio version of Megan’s Law is called the Sex Offender Registration and Notification law (SORN). It was passed as House Bill 180 in 1996, and went into effect in two stages in 1997. The first part of the law went into effect on Jan. 1, 1997. Beginning at that time, all sex offenders, including those already incarcerated, were required to be classified by their individual sentencing judges into one of three categories, each of which dictates the registration and notification requirements to which the offender is subject. The second part of the law went into effect on July 1, 1997. From this point forward, all convicted sex offenders are subject to the registration requirements of the law. Sexual predators and some habitual sex offenders are subject to the notification aspects.
Classification of Offenders
Sexual Predator
SEXUAL PREDATOR is defined as a person who has been convicted of, or pleaded guilty to, committing a sexually oriented offense and who is likely in the future to commit additional sexually oriented offenses.
Offenders can be classified as sexual predators in one of the following ways:
1. The Offender is convicted of a sexually violent offense with a sexually violent predator specification, or
2 The sentencing court, after holding a sexual predator hearing pursuant to O.R.C. 2950.09, determines that the offender is a sexual predator.
Offenders designated as sexual predators are subject to registration/verification requirements for life unless a judge modifies or terminates the sexual predator designation. Sexual predators are subject to the neighbor/community notification provisions and the reporting requirements at 90-day intervals.

Habitual Sex Offender
HABITUAL SEX OFFENDER is defined as a person who has been convicted of, or pleaded guilty to, committing a sexually oriented offense, and who previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to one or more sexually oriented offenses.
Offenders designated as habitual sex offenders are subject to registration/verification requirements annually for a period of 20 years after release. A sentencing judge may determine that a habitual sex offender is subject to neighbor/community notification.

Sexually Oriented Offender
SEXUALLY ORIENTED OFFENDER is a person who has been convicted of, or pleaded guilty to, committing a sexually oriented offense, but who has not been designated as a sexual predator or habitual sex offender.
Sexually oriented offenders are subject to the registration/verification requirements annually for a period of 10 years after release. These offenders are not subject to neighbor/community notification.

Definition of Sexually Oriented Offenses
Sexually oriented offenses include:
Those offenses that are defined as any of the following:
2905.01 Kidnapping – if the offense involves a minor or, regardless of the age of the victim, if the offense is committed with the purpose to gratify the sexual needs or desires of the offender.
2905.02 Abduction – if the offense involves a minor.
2905.03 Unlawful restraint – if the offense involves a minor.
2905.05 Criminal child enticement.
2907.02 Rape.
2907.03 Sexual battery.
2907.04 Corruption of a minor.
2907.05 Gross sexual imposition.
2907.21 Compelling prostitution – when the person compelled, procured, etc., is a minor.
2903.01 Aggravated murder – if the offense is committed with the purpose to satisfy the sexual needs or desires of the offender.
2903.02 Murder – if the offense is committed with the purpose to satisfy the sexual needs or desires of the offender.
2903.04(A) Involuntary manslaughter – if the offense is committed with purpose to satisfy the sexual needs or desires of the offender.
2903.11 Felonious assault – if the offense is committed with the purpose to satisfy the sexual needs or desires of the offender.
2907.321(A)(1) or (A)(3) Pandering obscenity involving a minor.
2907.322 (A)(1) or (A)(3) Pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor.
2907.323(A)(1) or (A)(2) Illegal use of minor in nudity-oriented material or performance.
2919.22(B)(5) Endangering children—certain subsections: child is under 18 years of age.
· A violation of any former Ohio law that is substantially equivalent to any offense listed above, including felonious sexual penetration.
· An offense under an existing or former municipal ordinance or law of another state or the federal government, or a violation under the law applicable in military court that is substantially equivalent to any offense listed above.
· An attempt to commit, conspiracy to commit, or complicity in committing any of the offenses listed above.
PORTAGE COUNTY REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS LIST
Last Updated December 13, 2002
Name Address Classification
Ashby, Russell 1450 Evergreen Drive Streetsboro, Ohio 44241 Sexually Oriented Offender

< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< The above is just a sample of how it’s listed on the site..there are many more. And by the way, there are 13 in our rather small city…..but no habitual sexual predators.

December 17, 2002
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Whoa! That didn't print up anything like it was copied, sorry it's so difficult to read this way.

December 17, 2002
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Yes this is in Albuquerque NM and he does have to leave in two weeks, and not only that they are putting his face all over the local news.

December 17, 2002
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Good to see you gypsy!

December 17, 2002
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Wow, suppose every town did the same, would he have to leave the country? I don't know that I agree with that, maybe I don't know all the facts..what did he do Angie? There are about 50 registered sex offenders in our County alone...and that could mean anything..not specific enough.

December 18, 2002
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Hi gypsy, I remember you back in the day! Glad to see your back.

My comments on this would have to be that I can go both ways on this issue.

I can understand how some commuties may feel threatened if they had kids or whatever. And I do see how this can show anyone who thinks about doing this crime would know that people that try to be good will not stand for this. It's a tough call here cause if I ever did this crime I myself know if I paid time I would never do it again. But after being out all that time, would I have recovered? or would I want to do it again?

It's a fine line, and not sure of the best alternative cause sex offenders need a life too, pay for the mistake and move on.

So the question is, should we pay for our mistake however great the crime for the rest of our lives. Something that ruins good honest peoples lives forever just for their own selfish actions? I say yay.....wow I'm such a bitch!!!

December 18, 2002
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Just read back on Cici's reply. OH MY GOD if people were notified of my stupid stunts, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LIVE ANYWHERE. That does suck!!!!!

December 18, 2002
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Is there any evidence to suggest that publically identifying 'sex offenders' reduces the risk of re-offending or more important offending in the first place?

From what I've read, states that have an enforced death penalty do not have a corresponding reduction in murder and crimes punishable in this way and in fact, often, the reverse is true.

December 18, 2002
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Don't know Squeezles, I think from what I remember, the Megan's Law was kind of a knee-jerk reaction because of it's horrific nature...HE was a convicted sex offender and living right there and nobody knew.

Would have to find the actual stats, just don't know.

December 18, 2002
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Well I think awareness in anything is a good thing, but also hysterical reactions and hate campaigns when it is known is also not fair either. What can you do though? No one wants to live near a sex offender, particuarly if their 'target' group is around (women, children, whatever), but at the same time, where do they go? People deserve 'second chances' surely?

I'd just hope that a lot of rehabilitation occurs before they are released. I'd be interested to know what the 'criteria' for releasing is. I don't think: "I'm sorry. I was bad. Never do it again! Promise" is good enough. It has to be more than that.

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Tough subject.....

Totally agree with "shouldn't we be forgiving"....

Yet with the number of sex offender who commit the same crime again and again.. it gets more difficult.

Although our country was BASED on the Christian principles of the time we have "strayed" far afield.

And remember....we are much more forgiving now about many things yet harder on others.

It's against the law to "hate" different races or those who are not heterosexual...yet it is okay to judge retarded poor black 12 year olds as adults and put them in prison for life.

In comparison the ses offender who has to move has it easy.

As one of the multitude of women who was molested by a family member at a very young age I have no problem with those who choose to sex with young children to have to at least register.

I do see the other side.....in Wisconsin the authorities were going to incarcerate a 17 year old "man" who had impregnated his girlfriend...(they were going to get married) only public outcry helped.

Thanks to certain laws it is no longer acceptable in this country to consider your wife and female children as property. The "law" should reflect what we as a people hold dear... these laws that attempt to protect children are valuable. .. if used properly.

As a teacher I find that the lip service given to the value of children is often just that....lip service. If this nation truly valued children not only would sex offenders remain incarcerated then there would be great day care programs everywhere, teachers would be paid like rock stars, parenting would be valued as much as politics and the world might become a better place.

The sex laws are a stab at making things better....maybe a weak one and often misinterpreted but it is at least a try. To bad people don't get as upset with children being hungry, illclothed and poor. Being sexually abused is one thing that crosses all economic lines...it even happens to the rich.

There are times when I do feel bad that some of these people (sex offenders) have appeared to make "just one mistake and wind up paying for it for life yeet the sexual abuse effects the child for life.... being fondled and exposed to sex at 4 or 5 or 12 years old does not make for a "normal" sex life later... (for me anyway)

If a person ruins a childs life what IS it worth in payment?

If a 14 year old (girl or boy) is lured into a sexual relationship by an adult with lies or guilt...what is that worth?

Look at the catholic church.... if sex offenders shouldn't be punished as severely as they are with having to register....what is the catholic uproar about?

I want the world to be forgiving but I want the right thing done. Anyone know what that might be?

December 18, 2002
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I was molested by a family member when I was ten. I wont ever forget but I have forgiven. I still talk with this person, I still give christmas presents. I wont ever let my daughter near him alone.

My town news paper printed up the entire list of sex offenders that live in my town and the neighboring towns. The addresses and everything. True I would not want to live near one. But who are we to make someone leave their home?

I must have been cast out in a past life, cause this really angers me. In this live I was ex-communicated from church and called an adulter for having Angel out of wed lock. I was labeled a sinner.

I think we are quick to lock up criminals, but what effort are we putting into rehabilitation? None. We give them a bed and hot meals and television and even play time. Then when we think they had enough we let them go. yeah that will work. They fall back into old habits cause they didn't learn any other way in prision. They were just handed everything. What ever hapened to prision labor? Prision ranches and all of that?

I am not a religious person, I don't even do the whole Jesus thing, but shouldn't we leave punishment up to God? I am glad for the whole registering thing. But for a Judge to rule that this guy must leave the town? Come on, is that even legal?

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No, I just can't believe it's legal. But a judge made the ruling?
Perhaps this guy has no real attorney? Public defender?

Like I said, I'd have to do some stat research on all of this, but here's my question..so a person molests a child, isn't that person sick in some way just due to the nature of the crime? Child molestation is not just a whim, you just don't do it once and it goes away and you say, whoops.
As with most sexual offenses and disorders, don't they grow and expand, and get only worse with time and no help?? Doesn't the man who starts out stalking children eventually get brave enough or "driven" enough to actually act on his fantasies?? So, that's one reason I am happy to know who's in my area, well,no not actually happy, but feel somewhat forewarned...I guess.
I don't know that anyone is ever fully "cured" of their urge to commit sexual offenses. Look at the men who are in prison for rape and come out and rape and KILL immediately. The inner rage was never treated, just festered.

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Ok this is the deal with the sex offender here in NM. He was a sex offender in Michigan and moved here to NM where he is not welcomed. By law they can't make him move yet but they are harassing the shit out of him. Last night they showed him on the local new at the laundrymat with the police in the back ground watching him and of course the news crew. Also many business have put his picture in there windows. However this man says he isn't going anywhere. Just a matter of time before someone beats the hell out of him and kills him, how sad for everyone.

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I would want to know if there was a sex offender in the area. In fact, because I have small children, I have called the local police to check it out. We have a tier system as set up by Megan's Law, depending on the type of offender. The only way we would find out as citizens is if it is a teir 1. My neighbor could be a teir 3 and I would never know. They at least notify the schools and police dept. for any level, with limited information.

Honestly though, I don't know what I would do if I found out there was a sex offender in the neighborhood. As much as I don't want one here, I don't think I could harrass the person to leave. I don't know, maybe I could.

It would be more comforting if I knew that there were reliable recovery programs for sex offenders. I only hear of people being repeat offenders, never the one who is recovering and not at risk for another offense.

I suppose I could compare that to an alcoholic...never cured, but in constant recovery. Alcoholics can relapse...so to can a sex offender.

This whole subject is scarey to me with little kids. We get notices home at least once a month from the school about someone suspicious coming up to kids, trying to get on the bus, or following a student home from school.

Wether or not the person lives in the neighborhood or somewhere else, I think it is most important to educate the kids on what to do if anyone approaches them. And keep a close eye on them. There is a program in my son's school that teaches children what to do if approached by a stranger or even by someone they know who they are not comfortable with. Also helps them to speak out...so many kids are afraid to say anything because an "adult" tells them not to tell anyone.

Hopefully I will bring my kids up to be able to speak out and be able to take care of themselves in a bad situation.

Scarey...I don't remember ever having to worry about this, or even learning about it when I was a kid. Times have changed.

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