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June 27, 2007
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oh want to write but i'm out of work and cant "fake" work at the moment.

but....what i couldnt tell my father was that i had ice cream. about half the container was left and after my sandwich i had about half of what was left. later, i had the rest. i just wanted to get rid of it. but i didnt want to throw it away. so i ate it. 🙁

June 27, 2007
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well, you read what I had for dinner...so I am no better...I didn't even have the good sandwich to go with it....so you did better than I did. I had lots of fruit yesterday, but no veggies...and no meat...only cereal, fruit and ice cream.

oh wait, I had mcdonalds for lunch...talk about a binge...!

it wasn't pretty.

the ice cream is gone...so, don't beat yourself up over it. you got rid of it...I like how you did it.

Now - going forward, try to buy ice cream in single servings, like pops and such...sugar free is best...so if you DO binge, it's no big deal....or fruit based pops...again, better than real ice cream.

And if you REALLY want ice cream, make yourself get out and buy a single cone at a local place...maybe the idea of having to go out and GET IT will squish the craving...as it often does for me.

If you binge on something, best to not have it in the house...reserve for special occasions, like dinner out or something.

I have been known to eat a whole box of ice cream bars...like thos haagen daaz dulce de leche bars...I can eat all three...I'm a piglet.

June 27, 2007
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you have such good ideas and they help keep me motivated to do the right thing.

since im out of work, and my brother and father had to go to a meeting, ive been asked to scrub and wax the showroom floor.

oh what fun. great for my fibro - but thats just an excuse for being lazy, right? i sweating like a rain cloud and have massive headache. im talking, hands and knees kinda work. i think theres a thunderstorm going on in my head. well, maybe i'll lose some weight. and of course, when they get back, it will all be for not becuz i'm sure im not doing a good enough job. UGH!

June 27, 2007
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wow, you have a job like I used to have....I used to have to clean toilets when there was nothing to do...organize closets....do a tool inventory (THAT was fun). Ever notice how many tools in a carpentry shop????? they move and you don't know what you inventoried and what you didn't. Plus, some were so gross and dirty, you didn't want to touch or move them.

Drink lots of fluids...sweating may dehydrate you....take some tylenol or advil or alleve NOW before the pain hits...and eat well today. When you get home, take a nice cool shower to cool down and rinse the sweat off, then fill the tub with warmer water and relax your muscles.

and use some kind of cardboard or padding for your knees.

June 27, 2007
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thanks - came in to rinse the bucket and popped on here and got your post. must go for awhile.

have a good day!

June 27, 2007
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Anyone ever heard of or tried JUVEN? I think that it is a nutritional supplement that is given to cancer patients, but I understand that many healthcare professional drink it also.

Cary

June 27, 2007
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Hi Robbie

I don't think you binged on the veggies. Think about it - 90 calories a serving. That is a side dish (I am assuming you didn't eat anything else). The whole package was a mere 225 calories. You got 20% of your daily fiber. There was more fat in this package, which suprised me, but 14 grams of fat represented about 21% of your total intake for the day (based on 2000 cal). not too bad, just go easy on the fat the rest of the day.

Remember that vegatables are the most nutrient-dense foods you can eat for the calories they provide. But it's also because they are so low in calories that they are not likely to fill you up the way fats and protiens will. So maybe in that sense the fat content in the package was not a bad thing as it probably helped to fill you up better than if it was not in there.

When making food choices on a restricted calorie diet always go with nutrition (fruits and veggies, whole grains, non-fat dairy, lean meats) Dont deny yourself an occasional snack, just dont eat the whole bag. (this is where emotional eating can get you in BIG trouble, because it has nothing to do with hunger, so if this is a problem try to address what triggers those responses).

Good luck. As I said, I dont think you made such a terrible choice, that wasn't even an equivilant to a small meal.

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June 27, 2007
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Hi DM ...it wasnt the veggies i was worried about. it was the half a container of ice cream i had later.

i have "binged" on ice cream, pizza, pisstachios, doritos, bread, cereal but never veggies. lol

rising - taking your advice, i took out the frozen butter seasoning pellet in the veggies and just steamed them up with NO SAUCE.

so far today ive had a green apple, some coffee, some water, and my veggies. i think for dinner i will have a tuna sandwich. its either that or roast beef or the veggies. thats all i have for food right now.

and btw - i got a "good job" from my father on the floors. YES!

June 27, 2007
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hooray for good floors!!! be proud!

must have been a WONDERFUL job if dad noticed and praised you!

I think that your menu looks like you aren't eating ENOUGH.

And if you don't eat enough, you WILL binge, as your body will crave additional nutrition.

Are you out of groceries or just afraid to eat too much?

For breakfast, some whole grain toast or cereal would be ideal with an apple...some all fruit jam or small spreading of peanut butter would be good, as the peanut butter would give you some protein.

a sandwich with lunch would be great.

and for dinner, 4 ounces of meat, with a high quality carbohydrate - like sweet potato, brown rice or salad would be good.

Whole grain crackers and low fat cheese, or yogurt with fresh fruit, or low butter popcorn, or low salt pretzels, or handful of almonds or walnuts....all good snacks.

Eat too little = feel like crap = give up on trying to eat right!

don't worry about ice cream...it's out of the house and it's gone.

Now - given you binge on the same things that I do - you may benefit on a low carb high protein diet like atkins or protein power or south beach or carb addicts.

these diets are made to give you the nutrients you need, while breaking your addiction to the garbage carbs...the cravings.

got work to do, but will be back later.

June 27, 2007
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afraid to spend too much.

hey , i just remembered i bought eggs. i love egg sandwiches and theres protein in that?

im kinda sneaking a post so i gotta go too, wish i could write more...

June 27, 2007
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yes, an egg sandwich (easy on the mayo) would be good. I am not big on egg yolk unless it's all smooshed together like egg salad or scrambled.

egg white is fantastic...some say egg yolk is only ok in moderation.

But yes, it's a GREAT protein source.

put on whole wheat, whole grain breads for best bang for your buck, and filling.

if you are on a budget, then cold cuts are NOT the way to go.

buy tuna in larger containers, mix it up and store in fridge for couple of days...cheapest way to buy is in bulk. If you are like me tho, you get sick of stuff too many days in a row!

veggies and fruit are in season, so you can benefit from that - but farmer's markets are plentiful right now and best bargains found there.

also, buy chicken in bulk - and freeze it.

breasts can be grilled or baked and kept in fridge, dice up for salads, slice for sandwiches. If you get chicken legs or such, which is best bargain, you can cook and take meat off bone and make chicken salad with mayo or put it on a salad...or make sanwiches...kind of like picking over the turkey at thanksgiving.

steaks are usually cheaper in the summer...so you can get a leaner cut of steak, cook it up and slice it for sandwiches too.

check meat department in the mornings for "almost expired" stuff...they have specific sell by dates governed by the FDA or such...and they mark them down the last day before they expire....the meat is STILL good, as long as you cook it right away or freeze it right away and then cook it once it's defrosted.

hope these ideas help

June 27, 2007
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maybe i should cancel the appointment with the nutritionist? im sorry i cant pay you - but you are giving me great advice. im serious about cancelling the appointment - should i?

June 28, 2007
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how much will it cost you?

if it won't cost you much, go and see, just out of curiosity.

but if it's going to cost you an arm and a leg, then don't go...see if you can get enough help here...then reschedule if you aren't making any headway.

June 28, 2007
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Houston - weve got a problem.

i have a problem between 7pm - 11pm
if im not eating (binging), im obsessing.

i dont know what to do.

June 28, 2007
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my insurance is paying for the visit. i have a $20 co-pay, but then i dont know how often i will be going back.

June 28, 2007
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are you eating out of boredom?

or does your mind go bonkers during that time and you find yourself reaching for food to calm yourself?

I can't say that I understand this late night binge stuff...cuz personally, I don't eat late in the day...I am a morning binger. I can go to dunkin donuts and get a half dozen donuts, intended to share, and eat them myself.

so - here's some pointers - ONLY keep healthy foods in the house - that way you can't eat half a container of ice cream...if you only have healthy stuff, and crave junk...chances are, you will pass on the binge.

only buy those snacks in single serving sizes on special occasions or when you go out to eat.

eat well during the day...late night binges are often triggered by hunger because you didn't get enough during the day.

if you must eat, have protein - it's hard to binge on protein - it's very filling - hard boiled eggs, diced grilled chicken, tuna...again, if you only have healthy stuff to snack on, you are less likely to eat too much.

drink water - sometimes binges are dehydration that feels like hunger pains.

find something to do - to keep your mind off of food - sometimes tv ads can get to you, so don't watch it.

take a walk...get some air...again, distraction.

try telling yourself you will have something in a "few minutes"...let some time pass...if the craving is still there, tell yourself you will do something about it in a few more minutes...try seeing how long you can push it off...sometimes it's possible to push it off until it passes. This ONLY works if it's a physical craving...not a mental one...if it's a mental one, or emotional one, you may find yourself obsessing about it.

Find healthy alternatives to the snacks...if you want chips - have air popped popcorn...if you want crunchy, have some celery with tuna in it...if you want sweet, have some flavored water or a sugar free popsicle...if you want creamy, have some yogurt with fruit.

In the end, the best solution is figuring out what makes you want to binge...is it boredom (my problem usually)...is is emotional...is it hunger...is it dehydration...that sort of thing.

I know that for me...I figure, I am already fat, so what if I eat all this junk? I am not trying to impress anybody.

I had to replace that with "ok, I may be fat, but I don't have to kill myself intentionally"...cuz in the end, obesity CAN kill. I tell myself I am worth it and that extra handful of cookies is NOT worth it and it will be there tomorrow.

I found that once I felt better about myself and cared enough about myself, I didn't have to monitor my intake so much...that my binges weren't so bad.

but I still have my days...and I don't beat myself up for them. I am thankful they aren't EVERY day.

Also, I know that I started using food as a band aid when I was a kid...I was competitive with my brother...I didn't want him having the last box of sugar cereal, leaving me with the whole grain stuff, or the last pack of poptarts, or the last cookie...so I snuck it to get the last one...that's where my food issues came from. I used to babysit and sit in the basement where the food was and sneak cheez doodles and choc. chip cookies that the charlie chip man used to bring.

Now that I have control over who eats the food in my house, I have less issues with that kind of thing. Plus, I know I can buy more if I run out.

I also have come to learn that people with fibro have addictions to carbs that are bad...to the junk, to the sugar. Many doctors recommend high protein plans for fibro patients. I found the best success in controlling my binges when I was on the atkins plan.

June 28, 2007
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well, maybe see what the nutritionist does, what they expect from you, what services they offer.

they may be of help, they may not.

June 28, 2007
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Robbie

I always get hungry around 10pm. I don't have sugar and sweets in my house because of my diabetes. I found that sugar free stuff does not help with the sugar cravings. It just tricks them. Well, I mean that while I was substituting with sugar-free, I could pretty much predict when the cravings would start. So- I don't even buy the sugar free.

I keep a big jar of chunky peanut butter handy and get one or two tablespoons to fill me up. And/or a small glass of milk.

About eggs? I make omelettes and cut them down, so I can have an "egg" sandwich on an english muffin for the next day. They sort of look like McDonald's egg patties.

June 28, 2007
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thanks for popping in bevdee...I saw on the other side that you do high protein low carb...your input will be helpful.

also, peanut butter on whole grain toast (not pretend whole grain - the real stuff) plus a glass of milk is said to help you sleep better.

I also found that if I am craving badly, and it's after 9 p.m...I just go to bed...and sleep it off. Sometimes I just need the extra sleep.

I agree about the sugar free stuff makeing the cravings worse...I found that if I gave up sugar free soda, I lost 10 lbs in two weeks...so my body THINKS it's sugar, even if it isn't. And they say nutrasweet is very bad for people with fibro...the chemicals are harsh on anyone, but do alot of damage to someone with fibro.

June 28, 2007
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Rising

But there is always PMS! What I do for that is keep whipped cream in the freezer. Pecans, too. I put some whipped cream in the bowl, some crumbled pecans, and I dollop tiny little drops of the peanut butter in this mess. I eat it real slow, and it helps calm my screaming hormones down, and helps a little with the cravings.

Robbie- something else I do is the cream cheese stuff. I get whipped cream cheese, and add stuff to it, like green onions, purple onions, mushrooms, black olives, jalapenos- any seasonings I want or have on hand. I love Tony Chachere's. I like hot. Anyway, if you like cream cheese, you can have this spread handy. It tastes increasingly better each day after you have mixed it. Sometimes I put it on celery, or crackers. Yeah- mostly on crackers. But 4 crackers is like one piece of bread. You have to check the serving size and carbs on those packages. I try just to eat it like the P-butter and scoop it out of the tub! That's my secret eating- I don't want anyone to see me with that spoon!

And then there's pork rinds. Truly secret eating!

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ok, is boredom eating the same as emotional eating?

heres my situation i think to just describe my night last night will some it up.

i leave work at 5pm. as i said yesterday, what i had during the day was a green apple, and those veggies. i admit, it wasnt enough and i was hungry when i got home.

took a cold shower like you suggested first. then went down to the kitchen and made my egg sandwich. i cooked/scrambled 2 eggs, toasted 2 pieces of whole grain bread. light on the imitation butter. after, i had a slice of watermelon.

after dinner, i played on the computer for a bit. i was tired and it was sooo muggy i went to my room with the a/c. i took a nap.

got up a little while later i got up and played on the computer a few minutes (checking email)....

went downstairs and did the dishes (wont say how long theyve been sitting there). but i got them done and cleaned the kitchen and was quite pleased with myself.

went back to the computer for awhile until my show came on at 8pm (the next best thing)

at 8pm i went to my room to watch my show. now that all was quiet and i was settled i began obesessing about food.

i had remembered about the mac and cheese (1 serving containers) i had got on sale. mac and cheese is another binge item for me. i like to put tuna in it.

i thought the tuna will fill me up. then i wont have anymore after that. but i had a popscicle (not sugar free).

went back upstairs and all i could think about was food and eating. after my show ended, my other show came on (american inventor)....

i dont remember the exact time, but by the time i went to bed for the night 11pm, i had 2 turkey sandwiches and 2 more popscicles.

that is a typical night. i eat from the time i come home until i go to bed, and if im not - im obsessing about it.

now - there ARE certain nights that im not interested in shows but i watch tv becuz theres nothing else to do, and to have some kind of noise in the house. it just happened that last night was my show night. sometimes, im just to tired to do anything else but veg out in front of the tv.

June 28, 2007
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i havent had a chance to read all of these posts - but at a glace - like peanut butter, i wont have just 2 tablespoons. once i get the taste, i just keep eating it. same with any kind of nuts, and cream cheese, regular cheese and breads. i do like ice cream but i dont eat cookies, chips or that kind of stuff. i seem to binge on "real food."

i could eat a ton of fruit and vegetables and feel very full, but its not the same full "feeling" i get when i eat these other things.

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Robbie - girl I know about mac&cheese.

I may be different than you because I am diabetic, but when I eat pasta, especially when I eat pasta, I will be hungry again in a couple of hours.

Because pasta is so high carb, it causes your sugar to spike up. The body responds by distributing insulin, which is a defense mechanism the body provides healthy people. So- within a short while, depending on your pancreatic function and your body's metabolism, you are going to feel hungry just a little while after you eat mac&cheese. (This is the body's normal response)

For me rice has a similar effect. Potatoes- worse than pasta. Doesn't matter if they are fried, baked, whatever. Watch out for the white stuff.

Corn is so starchy and converts to sugar so quickly, I am aware of corn and corn syrup content in everything. Like cough syrup. Cough drops. Popcorn. Chee-tos.

I watch because it could make me really sick, but I learned to read labels.

Do you like meat loaf?

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My favorite is sliced ham with cream cheese and chives spread on it and rolled up - OMG yummy...craving it as I type this.

I also whip some cream when I am craving something sweet.

OR

I slice berries (strawberries, blueberries, raspberries) and put a splash of cream and some splenda on top...YUMMY.

I have MANY low carb snacks I love.

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Robbie

Here's a suggestion. Don't make the eating experience comfortable. Don't sit on the couch, or eat in bed. Eat a little, and try to do something else like washing the dishes or tidying up a pantry shelf.

Sometimes I want to eat when I am upset. If I feel lonely, I get comfort from certain foods.

You might try keeping a log of the urges to binge. What time, and any emotions you might have had leading up to that.

Eat standing in the kitchen in front of a big mirror.

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