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October 11, 2001
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Cloud: i agree it wasn't the smartest thing to do. why do you feel tempted to do bad things when you are at school. maybe if you have the same mind set as when you are at home or with someone u won't do it. or perhaps if your attention is held better you won't do these bad things.

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Hi Cloud.

i've been told to keep a thought chart too-that part of the cognitive therapy. i wouldn't like to share my thoughts either to a group of strangers.

can i ask. what is the difference between felice and christine?how come you are so attached to felice?

i went to the review today. It was horrible!my parents had to come too. it was to see how they thought i was getting on and a chance to talk with my counsellor. u will never guess what she said! 3 options. 1)terminate today and never see her again and close the file 2)terminate today and keep the file open or 3)not see her until 3 months!ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! i could have screamed!she said last time (2 weeks ago)to see her every month til xmas but she did not even bring it up.F**K!so now i'm not seeing her until january. she did say as a last resort i could ring her but after january i have to get refered again.F**K, F**K, F**K!!! i feel really messed up at the mo.
can i ask??? is your counselling in a private organisation?eg.do u pay? i got refered by my doc.do you know what type it is your undergoing? humanistic, cognitve, or psychodynamic?(there goes my counselling words!!).
im not happy at college either at the mo.my friend has turned into a slapper and i feel lonely.i only have one best friend and i don't know what i'd do without her!

schiz said u r at school. r u?

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October 12, 2001
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Schiz: I just can't help it when I'm at school. I feel desperate and want to see Felice. I'd do anything to get her to notice me. But I'm trying to curb my "behaviors".

Tinkerbe11: I'm so sorry about your review today. I don't get it though. How come your counselor previously said you could go to her for the next three months, and today, she didn't even mention it? I thought that was the plan. What did your parents say, by the way? God, you must be really angry right now. I know I would be if mine did this to me. I would feel sort of rejected right now and very hurt. So how exactly did this end up? You're going in January? For how long? The place where I currently go, I got referred there by where I used to go (my school's counseling center). At the school's counseling center, Christine was my first counselor there. Then she left and Felice became my counselor there. Honestly, I don't know why I'm still so attached to Felice, only that she filled up my "hole". My emptiness. When at school, I didn't pay, it was free. Now I am under this plan where I don't pay either at this new place. It is affiliated with a hospital nearby. The type of counseling I am in now is like cognitive-behavioral, whereas the one I had with Felice was psychodynamic. Christine also used CBT.

By the way, Schiz knows me. She goes to school with me. That's why she wrote that.

October 13, 2001
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Cloud:i don't know why she said that. i did feel very angry (and still do).i feel hurt. i thought maybe it would be ok seeing her every month til xmas and had just got used to that idea then she goes and says that!my mum asked when we got home, why i didn't speak up when she did not mention it.But i didn't want to look stupid.she said the longer i 'stay attached' to her the longer it will prolong my anxiety.i know deep down this is true but i can't accept it.

i go in january for 1 session!!!!thats it.its supposed to be a review to see how things r going -with my parents but i have yet to tell them i want to go on my own.i can't talk personall with them there.i can't say how bad i feel coz it just makes them worry more.she said to me there is never a closed door and if i need to i can ring her 6 months after-just to chat on the fone but if i need to see her then i have to get a g.p referal again.

oh god!one more thing i remember is at the last session she gave me the options -either seeing her every months til xmas or terminating there and then. she said if we did that (finishing 2 weeks ago) then she could arrange a goodbye and go somewhere for a drink. i thought it was too good to be true coz she didn't day n e thing bout it yesterday.

its really good that your school had a counselling service. my school has nothing like that.we have a youth centre nr by to my house with counselling on a monday but i duno...

u know u said u duno why ure so attached to felice, i duno why i feel attached to my counsellor.it feels she has hurt me.y?

u know u said u r having like cbt therapy, is yours short term?

sorry if some of this is a bit muddled!
do u know what this means to me to be able to talk to u?it means a lot.

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October 13, 2001
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Cloud:i don't know why she said that. i did feel very angry (and still do).i feel hurt. i thought maybe it would be ok seeing her every month til xmas and had just got used to that idea then she goes and says that!my mum asked when we got home, why i didn't speak up when she did not mention it.But i didn't want to look stupid.she said the longer i 'stay attached' to her the longer it will prolong my anxiety.i know deep down this is true but i can't accept it.

i go in january for 1 session!!!!thats it.its supposed to be a review to see how things r going -with my parents but i have yet to tell them i want to go on my own.i can't talk personall with them there.i can't say how bad i feel coz it just makes them worry more.she said to me there is never a closed door and if i need to i can ring her 6 months after-just to chat on the fone but if i need to see her then i have to get a g.p referal again.

oh god!one more thing i remember is at the last session she gave me the options -either seeing her every months til xmas or terminating there and then. she said if we did that (finishing 2 weeks ago) then she could arrange a goodbye and go somewhere for a drink. i thought it was too good to be true coz she didn't day n e thing bout it yesterday.

its really good that your school had a counselling service. my school has nothing like that.we have a youth centre nr by to my house with counselling on a monday but i duno...

u know u said u duno why ure so attached to felice, i duno why i feel attached to my counsellor.it feels she has hurt me.y?

u know u said u r having like cbt therapy, is yours short term?

sorry if some of this is a bit muddled!
do u know what this means to me to be able to talk to u?it means a lot.

tinkerbe11

October 13, 2001
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Tinkerbe: It means a lot to me too, to be able to talk about stuff with you. I'm glad we met on here. How about your counselor, see, I thought you had it set that you were going to see her every month until xmas. I know you didn't want to feel stupid in the session and ask what happened to that idea, but now I bet you wish you did. I hate going to a session with my parents, well, only my mom would come anyway, because my dad is totally against therapy. I can't talk about things either when they're around. But I'm pretty close with my mom so I can talk to her about anything. Would it be possible for you to get a referral from your doc to go back? This would probably be the best thing. (Hey, say that you're feeling badly again. Would your doc say no?) Wow, your counselor sounds really cool, offering to go for a drink if you terminated. That would have been fun. But I'm sure you'd rather just stay in therapy. I have a question. Did you REALLY talk about your dependency issues with your counselor, like really go into it and explain the problems? Because it sounds to me that you could still benefit from some counseling and how could they turn you away if you really need it? Mine is short-term, but I'm not sure what they mean by that anyway.

October 13, 2001
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Hi Cloud and Tinkerbe11,
I have an interesting situation. I work with an 18-year-old young man who has obsessive-compulsive disorder and just recently told me that he could be obsessed with me. I am really trying to curb my sessions with him. I know this isn't a sexual thing because he is obsessed with one of his pull-out teachers who is male and I am aware of the things he obsesses about. He has attempted to prolong sessions (which I allow to a certain extent) but I have had a difficult time getting him out of my office because he will continue to talk and say that he wishes he could talk with me longer. He is a sweet young man who is a foster child and generally doesn't act out. Just recently, he requested an extra session with me and I declined him. He was not threatening harm to self or others or anything, but I am concerned about this. I am afraid of the situation this could turn into. I am not a mean person, but know I need to establish boundaries. His pull-out teacher sees him a few times a week and is a very kind man about 31. I have warned him about the OCD and that this individual says he could obsess on people. Presently, he is living in a confined environment due to behaviors from the past.
I'm writing this to let you know a different perspective, but also to obtain any advice. Look forward to hearing from you.
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October 14, 2001
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Cloud:i'm glad we met on here too.
i thought we had said that too-about seeing her every month til xmas. i def. heard it right.my only reasonable explanation is she has gone away and thought about it and not told me-just decided.

i don't think it would be poss. to be refered again so soon. i suppose i will just have to deal with it.but i do keep in my mind (24 7) i can ring her if i really need. n e time up until january.tomorow im going to ask in school if there is a counselling service that i could see some one.i remember some one in my class last year was depressed and real messed up and saw some one.

yeh. my counsellor is cool.(i didn't think that on friday!!).maybe she now means to go for a drink after january when we have terminated properly.hope so.

i did go into dependancy issues in GREAT depth.u would not believe and where it may have come from.she said it will prolong my anxiety if i stay attached-which is probably true. part of finishing is to be able to have my independance. beacuse what has happened to me (anxiety,panic and agrophobia)it has decreased my confidence so much. i can hardly go n e where.

have you asked your counsellor how long she thinks you are going to be in therapy?

Tinkerbe11

October 14, 2001
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Suzy:this was interestin to read.why did you decline him a session with you?is it because you don't want him to be dependant on you? he must have felt bad but this is probably the best thing.i can only suggest from my point to talk to him maybe. i know talking with my counsellor made it slighlty eaisier to deal with-but still hard. i don't know a lot about OCD so can't help you much sorry.you prob know all what i've wrote but its from my point of view.are you a counsellor yourself?

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October 14, 2001
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SuzyQ: I think (and it's going to seem so strange coming from me) that you did the right thing, denying the boy a session. The truth is, like you said, you have to establish boundaries (as much as I hate that word.) I totally agree (although, I hate it.) What did you mean, he lives in a confined environment?

Tinkerbe11: SuzyQ is a counselor and I really enjoy reading her input. You know what I noticed about your last post? You said a lot of positive things.

"i suppose i will just have to deal with it."

"tomorow im going to ask in school if there is a counselling service that i could see some one."

I think these things you said are going to take you on your way. Checking out about a counseling center at your school is a good step. Now I am almost certain that all colleges have some sort of student center and within, a counseling center. Do you have a student handbook? It must be in there. By the way, which part of the country do you live? Or the world? I'm in NJ. Honestly, I don't think I could ever live without going to some sort of therapy. So I hope mine lasts a good while.

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Cloud and Tinkerbe11,
Thanks for replying. Tinkerbe11, like Cloud said, I am a therapist. I work in a therapeutic high school. The students are placed there for various reasons ranging from truancy to delinquent behavior.
Cloud,
I probably shouldn't have said "confined" environment. This young man is very well-behaved now, but his obsessions/compulsions have caused some serious consequences to himself. It's harm to self without him being truly suicidal. He's not in prison, but in a residential facility. Even though he is an adult, he is not his own guardian and may need supervision all of his life. His past has been very unfortunate, but for the most part he has a positive outlook.
Thanks for replying!!

October 15, 2001
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Tinkerbe11:I am in the UK.Is NJ new jersey?Do you really think i sounded positive? i did not realise!i know our school/college (its a college with a school joined on) there is a counselling service that offers counselling to the young ones (upto the age of 13)but is run by 6th formers (my yr)

October 15, 2001
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So there are no counseling services for those your age? Yes, NJ is good 'ole New Jersey.

October 16, 2001
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I'm not 100% sure. there is a youth centre near by but i don't think at school. i didn't dare ask yesterday (incase of what the teachers thought of me).i may ask my tutor today. howz it all going with u? you have your session today dont u? hope it goes well.i have got my course tonight.i really feel its not only something i'm learning about others and how to counsel ppl but i'm learning about myself too.

i hope you dont mind me asking again but i still don't get what BPD is.i looked it up in a text but sounds complicated. you dont have to tell me coz its your business but i am interested.

take care for now

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October 16, 2001
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Tinkerbe11: Ask your tutor. He/She may be able to help you find out at least. Don't feel embarrassed or anything. You are only trying to get help for yourself. That is something to be proud of. Most people don't even try. So how are you getting along without your counselor? Are things any better?

I think it's really good that you are taking this counseling course. I bet you are learning a lot about yourself too in the process because that's what psych and counseling are all about. That's why I like them so much. I went to this graduate open house on Sunday at my school and learned all about the counseling program that I am interested in. It sounds really great. So I am really looking forward to applying and finally starting to do something I enjoy.

Yup, my session is today. I'm going to tell her about the call I made to Felice and maybe the dream too. Because I just can't get it off my mind.

Here is a link to one particular page in a wonderful site about BPD. Since it is so hard to explain, I thought this site might help...

http://www.soulselfhelp.on.ca/.....order.html

Take care.

October 16, 2001
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I HATE THIS STUPID DISORDER!!!

Why would God put people like me on earth to live? All I do is bother and annoy the "good" people. I must have been from the devil instead. I'm so angry with everything. This does not stem from my session today. It just is. I am so discouraged that I'll never find a way to get over Felice. That I'll keep on doing stupid things to try to get contact, somehow. And although this is wrong, I feel like I can't stop myself. Maybe I'm looking to get into trouble because then I would be given the attention I want. And negative attention certainly is better than none at all. That's how I see it. I can't live without Felice in my life. And if I can't, it's not fair that others get to. I know I broke the rules and I crossed the damn boundaries, but I'm just a child with a stupid DISORDER! Maybe I belong locked up!

October 17, 2001
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Cloud:Yeh, i prob. will ask my tutor.i am just coping without her.i feel better than i thought i would! i thought my world would end(and it felt it almost did!).i'm trying not to think about it-but its hard-as u know.i often think like you, that if im not allowed her, why should others?its not fair. did she ever care about me? did she discharge me because she hadn't got the time n e more, was i a pain to her? i duno the answers to n e of these.you said you went to an open house on sunday at your school. what was it about? my counselling tutor told us last nite there is a weekend in november we can go on in a big house staying for 3 dayz and we talk about r past experiences and listen to others and food and stuff is provided.sounds good. may go.

call me thick but did you say you were 21? and r u at school?

did you tell your counsellor about the call you made and the dream?what'd she say? dont you jsut hate it when you go all geared up ready to tell them stuff u need to get out and then just don't say n e thing about it?i do.

thanx for the link. will look at it.

i was not sure how to react to your last post. it shocked me. what made you feel so angry?you r put on this earth for a reason. nobody is perfect. u seemed v. negative. u gota look towards the future as positive (hahaha thats rich coming from me!i hate looking into the future. i see nothing at the mo.)

YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE LOCKED UP SO do not think like that. every one is important in their own right

take care:)

Tinkerbe11

October 17, 2001
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Tinkerbe11: That weekend getaway sounds good. I'd go if I were you. Maybe this way you'll find others who might be feeling similar things to you. Yes, I am 21 and I go to college about 20 minutes away from my home. I'm a senior this year and can't wait to graduate, although, I will be coming back here for grad school right after that. Yesterday I did tell my counselor about the phone call and the dream and she said the phone call was a very bad thing for me to do. That I could get into trouble for it because the first thing that counselors think about when they get "silence" calls, is past clients. And she said they would most definitely think of me first. Then about the dream, she said there are a lot of metaphors in my dream, but she didn't want to say anything because she has never studied dreams. But she did say to me, "It was a dream...NOT REALITY. She didn't really hug you!" I was like, I know that but it felt so good.

Sorry about the last post. I was just feeling so horrible and I didn't know what to do. I get that way after talking about Felice with my counselor. I just feel so angry at myself for ruining the best thing I ever had with Felice. I can't forgive myself for it.

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Cloud:Hi! You said about what your counsellor said-about the dream not being real. if that was me, it would have made me So angry. i mean YOU know its only a dream but we can still hang on to it. if we did not have dreams where would we be hey? i know what you mean when u say it felt so good.

what made you phone felice? did you have a bad day then decide oh sod it. i need her?i maybe wrong.i know thats the first thing i think of.

when i used to see my counsellor, (every few weeks), i used to come home in such a bad mood because i knew i had to wiat another 2/3 weeks to see her but now i find i'm not so moody. when i saw her its almost like it was teasing me saying- oh you can have her for 1hr then you will have to wait 3 MORE WEEKS! now nothing is teasing me as i don't see her BUT I MISS HER so MUCH. i know it will all start again in january, but i need to see her.

i realised that there is a counsellor or two at my college coz i remember my friend once went to see her coz she had family probs. im off college for over a week now (i didn't get round to asking again)avoidence id=s one of my main problems n e way.

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October 18, 2001
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Hi Tinkerbe11, how are ya? You said you are off from college for a week, is it for anything special? I could definitely use a week off.

The same thing used to happen to me when I would leave Christine's office after our sessions. Of course, I had to wait only one week, but even a day could be hell. I used to leave her office feeling so sad and desperate. I would go into the nearest bathroom and start crying my eyes out. She never knew this as I never told her. But when it came down to about our 4th to last visit, the desperation got so bad, I would either call her or go back to her about an hour after just to be able to hear her voice or see her again. Those times were the worst. With Felice, I always used to look forward to our sessions, but I don't remember ever feeling as desperate between sessions as I did with Christine. I think it's maybe because I knew Christine's last day was coming, but I knew Felice would always be there. (Little did I know, she would get rid of me after a few weeks and that would cause me total desperation.)

The reason I phoned Felice last Thursday was because I just needed to hear her voice. And I was surprised that she actually picked up the phone, as her answering machine usually comes on. When I heard her voice, I knew for certain that she is still alive and there. It just made me feel better.

My current therapist says that with a lot of work, I will learn to take care of myself and depend on myself, not needing another person to always be attached to. I'm not so sure about this. I know I've lost Felice and trying to get her back will only result in me getting in trouble. One part of me is saying, here's your chance to get well. Another part of me is saying, go for another person now. Latch onto Barbara since you can't have Felice and that will help you get over Felice. But then the cycle will start all over again. And if I let this happen, what's to say Barbara won't get fed up with me and send me on my way too?

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Hiya Cloud.I'm not too bad. Yourself? The reason i have a week off college is that the U.K have a public holiday (for schools n e way).i had today and tomorow off too.I;m am so glad we have it off.i need a break. U said you used to cry your eyes out after seeing christine, well i can relate to that in a kind of way. when i used to go i was violently sick more than once usually-a couple of times on the floor of the car park!!!i was so anxious about not seeing her n e more and many times she asked why i thought i was begin sick.she did know why though.

once when my counsellor rang my house she left a message on the answer phone and i played it over and over.thier voice is so conforting isn't it?

you said little did you know that your counsellor would get rid of u, but did she really 'get rid of you'?
you had your group session today?how was it?

i really feel we understand each other which is reassuring 🙂

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October 18, 2001
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Hi Tinkerbe11: Wow, can you believe the power of our minds? Making you violently sick...it sure is a powerful thing. I can definitely relate. And what you said about the answering maching message...I did the same thing. Two times, Christine called my house and left messages and I took out the tape and recorded it onto my own tape and now I have her voice on tape forever. I used to listen to it all the time. Now I only listen to it once in a while and it really is comforting. I think I may listen to again tonight. It's been a while.

Well, Felice "got rid of me" or whatever you want to call it because she couldn't handle me anymore. Because I crossed the boundaries. I guess it was really my fault so I can't blame her. I had my group today and it was okay. Only two of us showed up so it was kind of more personal. Just me, this other lady, and Barbara. I started to wonder to myself if I should latch onto Barbara in an effort to get my mind off of Felice. But I'm not sure yet.

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Hi Cloud:R minds r certainly that!Hey thats a good idea!recording it onto your tape.unfortuantly mine is electrical.

is that why felice got rid of you, because she couldn't handle you?did she say that?

hey that was good that there was only 2 of you. what do you talk about with the others?i wouldn't mind doing something like that. do you all have similar problems?

you said you wondered if you should latch onto babara or not, but might this become an even more of a prob? i don't know about you but do YOU personally choose who you latch onto?i can't put my finger on it.its just certain ppl.i find its quite annoying coz my emotions just take control and i can't do without that person.

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You're right. I don't choose who I'm going to get attached to. It just happens. But I thought that maybe if I allowed myself to let it happen with Barbara, it would get my mind off of Felice, who can't even help me anymore. The day I "acted out", she said to me that our relationship was not going to work out. And that was basically the end of it.

The other people in my group therapy have problems with like self-esteem, depression, and panic. But I don't know if they know what I have or if they might have it also. So we basically just talk about cognitive-behavioral stuff and how to use it to help us feel better. Barb said I'm just starting out and so it may not be working for me yet, but it will take time.

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Hi.Thats true probably.It will get your mind off felice but what happens when it gets to the stage barbara cant help you? You said barbara said it will take time, well i can def.agree.i had been seeing my counsellor since march and bk then i didn't even know what therapy i was in!she did not tell me until a while later.

i think i really need to see another counsellor cos i don't feel right. some little things just remind me of my counsellor (i really want to say her name but i don't dare incase sum1 reads it).the smell of a perfume she wore does my head in!y can't i get it outa my head???
you should hang on to counselling while you've got it.i wish i did.

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