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March 8, 2005
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So I am looking at taking some chinese herbs for my Lupus my kidney doctor is vehemently against it. I have found nothing to indicate it would be detrimental to my health.

The only thing I found with chinese herbs is that there were like 12 women that took a slimming herb that caused kidney failure.

Does anyone know anything else on this?

March 8, 2005
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i dunno aces, what were the doctors reasons for being against it?

March 8, 2005
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She said it has caused kidney failure in some women that took it. The herb they took was a slimming herb that had nothing to do with the bherbs I want to take.

I am at ropes end and just want to try something in hopes it might help.

March 8, 2005
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be very carefull aces,
herbs may be organic, but they can have serious effects on the body. i would consider speaking with an herbologist, or someone specialized in the art of healing with herbs, someone who really knows the posible side effects. real herbs work! either for you or against you. trust me, i wouldnt bet your life on it in hopes it "may" elp you.

March 8, 2005
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I would stay away from taking herbs without first reading the scientific literature first. You can go on the NIH web site to get to medline. Some herbs can be very dangerous. Don't take any chances. I won't trust an herbologist because they are in the buisness of selling herbs and aren't based on science.

March 8, 2005
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Aces,

The problem is there have not been many scientific/medical studies on these herbs.

Digoxin, for the heart, comes from the digitalis plant and can be deadly if you or I took it and we don't need it.

The other is, it is unknown of the drug interations of herbal with prescribed medicines. They are now recommended prior to sugery, that patients get off of all herbal stuff as they have shown some complications, and, doctors do not know the long term outcome, effects of or drug inteeractions with these.

Yes, there have been some documents that some herbs have caused problems and some can have problems interacting with some meds. You may not have found all the articles printed out there.

The problem also is the popular use of herbal use is rather new, as far as what the long term effects are.

Also, when a new drug is put out on the market, after FDA approval, that drug has been studied and tested for years first. Once that drug is FDA approved and put out on the market, it is considered still a 'new drug' for about ten years. The one way the FDA knows that a drug is harmful or whatever, is by repoted findings; form someone (or test anilmal) that had a problem with it. That is why many drugs are sudenly pulled off the shelves, someone has had a bad reaction, died or caused physical symptoms.

Sorta long winded, but this stuff is close to my work and heart, but please be cautious!

I had a book called Alternative Medicine and has good information. There are many books out there to read also. Don't take anyone just at their word, whether doctor or alternative heralists. You need to get educated with it if you are going to put anything into your body.

And yes, I am a strong believer of natural foods and herbs, as I do incorporate it into my own life.

March 8, 2005
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Mydear aces...
Are there any omeopathic ,Or natropatic doctors in your area??
If there are, then I'd highly reccommend trying to make an appointment, even just for a consult.

Do you have a wild Oats Market, Bread and circus, Or whole foods market in your state???
These are health food stores that usually have an extensive suppliment section, nd generally hire people with experience to work in those departments, AND/OR have little community sections in the store where people come and speak about herbs, supploments, and diet "stuff"

I would be wary , although Ive taken a lot of things and put them in my own body in the past, But none of these herbs are FDA approved for consumption or regulated, so the "right " amount is very important, and doses are often NOT put on the bottles, jars or bulk containers.
I wish i had some of my herb, and Homeopathic books here, but they are in storage somewhere....
Most "bigger" book stores do have books on these topics as well. Even colleges that teach Homeopathic classes may have some info. for you.

March 8, 2005
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Yes we do have a Wild Oats here, the herbs I am looking at are

Milk Thistle
Hoelen
Codonopsis

I have found nothing so far that is bad for them but then again like stated there hasn't been real research.

These though are designed for Lupus.

March 8, 2005
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Ive heard good things about Milk thisle, But Of course my brain farted and I dont recall whatelse it was good for, I had it in my cabinet for a while.
I know Wild oats has a pretty good book section as well. ( I worked at a wild oats for 3 years)
Im not sure If they are all set up the same or what???

I'll try looking up something on line...

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March 8, 2005
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found this on an herb site... Perhaps may help ya'
BRB hopefully with more

Milk Thistle (Silybum marianus)

This plant is native to the Mediterranean and grows wild throughout Europe, North America and Australia. Milk Thistle has been used in Europe as a remedy for liver problems for thousands of years. Its use was recorded in the first century (AD 23-79), noting that the plant was excellent for protecting the liver. Early Christian tradition dedicated milk thistle to Mary, calling it Marian thistle. In the 19th century the Eclectics used the herb for varicose veins, menstrual difficulty, and congestion in the liver, spleen and kidneys. Milk thistle has also been taken to increase breast-milk production, stimulate the secretion of bile, and as a treatment for depression.
Milk thistle nutritionally supports the liver's ability to maintain normal liver function. It has shown positive effects in treating nearly every known form of liver disease, including cirrhosis, hepatitis, necroses, and liver damage due to drug and alcohol abuse. Milk thistle works due to its ability to inhibit the factors responsible for liver damage, coupled with the fact it stimulates production of new liver cells to replace old damaged ones.

Milk thistle has been proven to protect the liver from damage. The detrimental effects of environmental toxins, alcohol, drugs and chemotherapy may be countered with this valuable herb. The active chemical component in the herb is silybin, which functions as an antioxidant and is one of the most potent liver protective agents known. Clinical trials have proven silybin to be effective in treating chronic liver diseases and in protecting the liver from toxic chemicals. An injection of silybin is a proven antidote for poisoning with the Deathcap mushroom (Amanita phalloides).

Silybin is a part of the chemical structure of the flavoligan silymarine. Milk thistle's hepatoprotective effects may be explained by its function of altering the liver cell membrane structure, blocking the absorption of toxins into the cells. Hepatoprotection by silymarin can also be attributed to its ability to increase the intracellular concentration of glutathione, a substance required for detoxicating reactions in liver cells. Milk thistle is also an antioxidant that is more potent than vitamins C and E.

Parts Used: Seeds for powdered or liquid extract.

Common Use: Helps the liver detoxification process. For all liver disorders such as jaundice and hepatitis. Fights pollutants and prevents free radical damage by action as antioxidant. Protects the liver and stimulates the production of new liver cells. Helps common skin conditions related to poor liver function.

Care: Annual or biennial. Very drought tolerant, self seeds readily. Prefers sunny position and well drained, dry soil

March 8, 2005
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http://www.kcweb.com/herb/store_a7.htm

this palce had a few herbal remedies, as well as homeopathic meds.. worth a look, I think???

March 8, 2005
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aces, while it's true that the fda hasn't approved herbal medicines, i for one as an american indian person rely on them above all else because i know that they have been "tested" and "proven" by our own types of doctors for 30,000 years. that to me is more reasuuring than the fda. same with chinese herbs. herbs and plants have been humans' medicines since the beginning of time where as pharmaceuticals have been around for a little over a hundred years. i'd suggest emailing karyn sanders or the herbal highway radio show and of blue otter herb school. she has decades worth of knowledge and practice passed down through her family and she's also obtained many degrees in herbology and nutrition. she's surprisingly accessible and will work with you for free on a one on one basis over the internet. she's impartial, she doesn't work for any herbal companies (unlike doctors who are basically owned by pharmaceuticals), and has no stake in encouraging herbal usage, especially because herbs are so easy to grow and use yourself at home.
Karyn Sanders can be reached at (530) 842-3784 or [email protected] for appointments.
and look at karynsanders.com for her expertise and background. she focuses on indian medicine rather than chinese (which i find better because many chinese herbs have been treated with all kinds of pesticides and such for import into this country), but is somewhat knowledgeable about chinese herbs as well as far as i know. good luck.

March 8, 2005
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Orngeboy..
I so agree wit htrusting Homeopathic ways more than gov't stuff, i am just concerned that al ot of these products dont give proper dosages, etc. on the packages.
My mom is Acaidian (northeast-canadian native) and I have tried alot of natropathic ways first, and foremost , as I feel most of these FDA chemicals merely band -aid or numb symptoms, and dont even trat the issue.
Its difficult becuz I have soooo many health problems, and most insurances practically laugh at me when i ask about Homeopathic Docs, treatments...
Anyway....
Aces.. I hope we were of some help t oya'
I wish you the best of luck i nyour searches.
((((hugs))))))

March 8, 2005
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Yes this has been help. I am just wanting to try something that might work besides cramming my body full of medications by the doctors that I really just hate doing. And besides that they aren't working so what is the asnwer to cram it full of more medication.

March 8, 2005
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i know that "alternative" therapies have helped me way more than anything, for fibromyalgia, rsi, and manic depression, or anything else for that matter. but i also can't handle prescriptions, sometimes not even ibuprofen 'cos my kidneys are too weak. i've found acupressure and chiropractics along with herbs and focusing on my emotional and spiritual healing and growth (not to sound like a total hippy) to be what's worked more than anything else for me personally. i also think it depends on what you believe will work and what feels right to you. so good luck!

March 8, 2005
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Some Docs re so darn quick to fill you up with Chemicals, Its like I was taking meds to counter act the drugs that werent working to the point where everyone seemed ot forget what was supposed to be treated in the first place...
(Grrrrrrrr)
and IF something wasnt working, they'd UP the dose??!?!?!
made no sence to me.
There was even one Rx. tht i was the 1% that has a severe reraction to , and they gave me more Milligrams.
I was POed to say the least, ended up in the ER, and took myself off of everything, Then they finally listenend to me when they saw me having spasms and twitches like I had Terrettes syndrome, alzheimers, adn epilespy.... I couldnt stop spazzing out, and this was supposedly a stomach med. They thought it was neuropathy reaction from High blood sugar, until they got my blood sugar down and Injected a med to "knock me out" andI was still spazzing, twitching off the table.....
Ugggghhhhhh
"modern medicine"
anyway.... i wish these natural things were more "accepted" because Its so difficult to know what/where and HOw to take, get them ....
I hope you find what will help you. Lupus is Sooo painful. One of my "girls" at wild oats got it after childbirth, and I think she was unabe to work right after her maternity leave. I felt awful for her because she was the sweetest woman, just marroed, just starting her family. aand nothing seemed to be helping her out.

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