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November 4, 2004
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Harry,

That sounds rough. I'm sorry and you sound like a responsible guy even though youre getting screwed over. I hope you didnt think I thought you were racist or selfish.

I'm a single father of 2 teengers who recently went through divorce and got custody. My ex pilfered all our money out of savings, retirement andeven took huge cash advances out of the charge cards.

She's now living out of state and no one knows where, not paying support, county looking for her, and leaving me to figure out college costs after a forced bankruptcy.

She's living it up while I took the fall.

I'm with ya in the struggle

November 4, 2004
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I have no healthcare either, and I am on S.S. disability, my 18 month old daughter can't even get medicaid. And for private healthcare, well I can't afford $200.00 a month. The only reason my son gets medicaid is because his bio dad is in prision.

November 4, 2004
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Wow. Read through post after post about bashing Bush and we need a civil war and being so disappointed in fellow Americans and how Bush could even be like Hitler.

Somebody says something good about Bush and bad about liberals and is told to stop trying to divide and conquer.

Pretty childish ya know?.

Have a wonderful time kicking spitting and throwing yourself on the floor. Don't know that it's gonna make for a very strong Democratic Party, however. Or for that matter, a united country.

Maybe I'm just as disappointed that you voted for Kerry. Maybe I'm just shaking My head wondering how one could be so ignorant and be suckered by a great narcissist. Maybe....

But for obvious reasons, I'd never tell how I voted. I'm just grateful I can see both sides.

Kuz I haven't gone bonkers like this in any Presidential election for the past 24 years.

It's uncalled for. The office of President of the United States is worthy of respect. Regardless of who the American people choose to take the position. Regardless. And if that's too much to swallow and you find you must move from this God forsaken country, GO! That's the beauty of our freedom. You can go.

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November 4, 2004
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I sure as hell wouldn't want the job!

November 4, 2004
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I'm just fed up with members of both parties bashing the other guy. Seems much more constructive to focus on the good things your desired candidate can do.

The constant bad mouthing of the "other guy" is everyplace! Well,in every election, the "other guy" is gonna be chosen to be our President, kuz both of em are the "other guy"

ya know?

Bush ain't Hitler. Kerry's not a deserter and narcissist.

Bush ain't a war monger. Kerry's not a pansy.

Bush isn't a woman hater. Kerry isn't a baby killer.

They both love the American people equally, that's why they both ran for President.

They are both worthy of respect from the American people.

Would sure be pretty aweful if when the next election came around, nobody wanted to run.

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November 4, 2004
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Very well put free 🙂

November 4, 2004
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***Clapping hands***

((((free))))

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November 4, 2004
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My thoughts: though sad to say is that voting "Republican" is in many ways considered secretly "hip and trendy" like driving a big ole gas guzzling SUV while talking on your cell phone at the same time and wearing designer "look at me - I'm important" clothing and cutting someone off in traffic. Really disheartening. Trying to tap ourselves into an "image" of what is "successful" and "American" like some kind of an aggresive advertising campaign which really serves........?

November 4, 2004
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If you are refering to my statement in particular about people thinking Hitler has good ideas, what I meant was "majority" rule does not equal what is best all the time. I think it's pretty clear that I was not comparing Bush to Hitler. Funny, how that came to the mind of Bush supporters, not Kerry's.

I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning how our public gets its information, why certain leaders are chosen by certain people or how these people rule. I agree that mindless name calling is unproductive, but there must be dialog in a democracy, or else, what is the point of living in one?

It would be pretty damn scary if we all agreed on everything. Easy to say "let's focus on what your chosen candidate can do" when yours has won the election. When your candidate has lost his abilities to make a difference have been limited. My chosen candidate will continue to do what he can for the country, much as he has all his life- I'm not worried about that. I just wish he had the opportunity to do it from the oval office. I don't understand why Bush supporters are so disappointed with the rest of us who simply want to vent and grieve this loss. After all, after the election results were safely in, even your candidate was graceful enough in his speech to have more understanding of differences "To make this nation stronger and better I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust. A new term is a new opportunity to reach out to the whole nation. We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America." I don't think Kerry was any less understanding of the notion of diversity.

But I think it's a foolish thing to expect people not to be upset and emotional at a time like this. People are going to get frustrated, and if that is offensive to some, well- enjoy your right to express that just as much as we do our right to speak freely. I can't defend viciousness, but we can't always be as eloquent as we would like to be. Not everyone has a speech writer.

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November 4, 2004
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ella,

Was your last post directed at me? It seems it was. I never stated who I voted for, and I defended the bashing I hear about Kerry and Bush equally .

One does not have to be a speech wirter to not bash. And the implication about Bush and Hitler was clear- don't play games. It doesn't suit ya.

"Bush supporter this" and Bush supporter that.

Liberls this and Liberals that.

It's everywhere.

There was another candidate on the ticket. Maybe those who cast their votes there have had about enough of the bashing of the two main parties. Maybe those who cast their vote there figure that if THIS is the kind of people either one of these candidates represent, then neither one deserves a vote.

One never knows.

But there was another candidate on the ticket.

And ella, I just think you've missed my point and I think that's a bummer.

Of course you have the right to grieve and bash and speak out however you wish.

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I don't think we are simply "bashing." Though there is an element of that. I realize you were calling for unity of purpose and more positive statements, gearing one's energy towards solutions, etc...

What I was saying is that this is NOT an inappropriate time for people to speak out against what they don't like. The two should not be considered mutually exclusive ideas.

And no, I wasn't only directing my post at you... maybe one or two statements. Last time I checked, we were all having an open discussion... so no, I don't think it was an attack on you.

However, statements like "Of course you have the right to grieve and bash and speak out however you wish" are in their own ways subtle insults and attacks. But who cares. I can take it. Far worse things have happened this week, and much better.

-ella

November 5, 2004
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And no Free, YOU missed the point about Hitler and the majority. You really did.

"bush supporter" "kerry supporter" those are the issues of the day. People are divided by their ideas, and these men are supposedly representing those ideas. That's the current reality. That's why we are talking about it this way. Perhaps we speak more this way for concisions' sake than out of the hatred you see in all of us. Maybe that flaw is in you.

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November 5, 2004
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oh, good grief.

ella, I still love ya.

flawed as I am. lol
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No matter what anyone thinks or believes, President Bush is going to be with us for the next four years whether we like it or not. He stated "I will need your support and I will work to earn it". I am a Democrat, but feel that we should all have some support for this country regardless of the situation. We are free!!!!!!!!! That is enough for me to love living in the USA!!!! I am totally proud to be an american. There is no doubt about that.

November 5, 2004
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If you have flaws, they aren't for me to call! Just talking this stuff makes you forget how cool people can be. But I truly wasn't just talking to you- actually my remark about Hitler was directed to HarryO. Just trying to say something (in my bumbling way) about the majority not always doing what's right. Maybe I should have stuck to something a little more relevant to US history... Civil Rights, etc...

Anyway...I like these discussions... I learn a lot. Even if I don't express myself well, it helps me to try!

peace.
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November 5, 2004
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above should read "makes ME forget how cool people can be"

i'm tired... bad grammar/typing

November 5, 2004
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ella believe me, I do have flaws honey.

there are many things that can be done at the state level. Here in CA we passed stem cell research despite Arnie's objections, and I'm really excited about that for all those people who stand to benefit. CA is hoping other states will follow suit.

Regarding No child Left behind- I'm a teacher so I hate it on one hand and like it on the other (mildly, on the other). Teachers hate it kuz the pressure is almost unbearable. We have to figure out how to get kids who simply have no interest in education motivated. Kids who speak little English, kids who come from high at risk families, kids who actually plan on dropping out as soon as they hit 18. Gangbangers, druggies, pregnant kids, etc. The pressure is on US to perform and is not shared amongst the families or students. It's aweful. I'm a teacher, not a magician. I see these kids 42 minutes a day for 182 days out of the year. Most people don't know that teachers are only salaried for 9.5 months out of the year- the rest is unpaid- we can have our salary spread over 12 months though with a savings plan where they deduct from our check for summer pay. I teach summer school only kuz I have to for financial reasons- most teachers don't - they need the break so as not to get teacher burnout. I'm tellin ya, the pressure is aweful.

On the other hand, it's working. Us teachers, for the most part, are figuring out how to get these kids educated. I don't know how, but we are. Our state test scores are compared nationally and Ca came from the bottom on up really, really fast. Nobody likes to be at the bottom, except for maybe the Virgin Islands who I think could care less about competition, but competition is what it is. Districts are scrambling to find good teachers, to train good teachers, to draw good teachers, to retain teachers, etc. It's tremendous pressure at the District level as well, for the School Boards. States are scrambling to find money for education amongst themselves. No child left behind throws the responsibility for education at the States, holding each state accountable. That trickles down real fast to the county, the district, the school and then to teacher. Lucky me. I can't pad (inflate is what it really is) grades to show a reasonable pass percentage kuz kids take an annual test. But if I show a high fail percentage I'm not doing my job and can lose it. I must show a successful pass rate in my class that MATCHES acceptable national test scores.

So I like it kuz I think it's working for our kids. I hate it kuz I love teaching and am beginning to wonder how long I can maintain this energy level. So is the district, so is the county, and so is the State.

But No Child left behind makes one thing clear. All children will recieve a VALID High School education. Period. No discussion.

I'm tellin ya- this is an idealistic dream coming from one of the most conservative politicians I've yet to see. It's the song "imagine" by John Lennon. that's what is. Imagine.

An America where every child recieves a valid High School education whether they want it or not.

Imagine.

Well, Bush imagined all right, did something about it, and has made teaching not a highly desired career. teacher shortages are running crazy kuz check this out- to teach, you now must have a bachelor's in that field. so to teach math or physics or chemistry, you must have a degree in it or pass a test that you're not gonna pass without the degree pretty much. Some people say we need more money. Well, more money will draw people from industry to these fields, but it won't make them good teachers. And it won't make the kids who could care less about education, care. Some of the wealthiest districts with the best teachers aren't cuttin it on the national scores.

right now, teachers are numb. We're either gonna figure out how to make this President's dream come true, or we ain't gonna be teachin' much longer. Kuz 4 years is too long to wait it out now, and this President doesn't take "it can't be done" for an answer. Consequently, neither will my state, county, district, or principal. Whether it can't or can be done- we'll certainly know over the next four years.

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Free-

I've said it in the past: People like you are gems. I don't just mean teachers- because not all teachers have what you have. Please don't give up...

Sometimes these politicians don't know the realities of what they propose... it's just not their reality... (and that goes for all parties). When you think of it, it's like the work place... those at the top set up these lofty ideas but it's up to the rest of us to live with the implications and make these things work. And sometimes they do. And sometimes there are bumps in the road.

But we need our heroes! And those are people like you, not some politician. I'm not bashing anyone, simply applauding those who are unsung movers and shakers in every day life.

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November 5, 2004
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Moz, I agree. My fear now comes from the majority getting carried away, their heads filling up with the highs of winning... only to believe that whatever their decision, they are right for everyone--including the minority.

I just pray that the responsibility given over to the majority will be realized. And, that in accepting responsibility for the entire group--the minority included--will mean also coming down from the high enough to see objectively.

To see objectively will mean having to see what the minority believes to be in their best interests, even if the majority does not agree. Then, in eveyrone's best interests, and not just the majoritiy's, wise decisions can be made.

This is my only light at the end of the tunnel. If this is not realized by the majority, all lights will be extinguished. I'm just hoping a second chance will turn things around from the direction it is currently headed.

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awe ella (bein a bit bashful here)- you're too kind. You really are.

One of the things mass education must deal with in our country IS cultural differences. Ours is the only, next to Asian cultures, where education is a top priority. Asian subcultures scream for higher standards, tougher rules and procedures in the classroom, higher academic class offerings.

Then there's the Hispanic subculture- their culture values family as it's top priority. They want education for their kids that is reasonable given their cultural values- their language, their history, and their family. This means their kids may stay at home and care for siblings, they may go to Mexico for a few months out of the academic school year, homework is not a priority- family time together is, along with church.

Then there's the vocational mainstream America- kids who come from farming families, mechanics, plumbers, contractors, self-employed. They could give a rat's butt about Algebra and the Quadratic formula, American Literature, or appreciation for the fine arts. They want vocational offerings such as metal shop, wood shop, mathematics for business, home economics. This group does not have strong representation and their desires fall into the electives category, and is consequently being cut left and right by virtually all districts.

Then there's middle-upper class white America who wants their kids in honors programs with only other honors kids. They are the watchdogs of our classrooms. Snobs if you will. The are not racist- just snobby- and boy oh boy when there's a black honors kid with a highly educated anal parent- look out! We WILL provide this child with an upper class education or a racial suit will be filed. I've yet to recieve an answer from anybody to the following question: "what the hell is an upper class education?"

There's a whole subgroup of America that wants school vouchers. So they can send their kids to private school. Sounds great. I thought so once too. But, I've had kids transfer in from private schools so that they can play sports- I've yet to see any of them at grade level. They are way behind. Turns out, private schools are not held accountable to the state like we are. They can hire anybody- you do not need any, any college education to teach there, and they do not have to follow State Standards. Teachers do not have to hold any type of credential or maintain their credential (I have to take classes every year at my own expense). Nor must their students participate in any state or national testing. They just do whatever they want. Hire whoever they want. And pay a fraction of what I get paid. I've found that most people don't know this.

Vouchers are a disaster to public education. They take what money we do have away from us, and lead parents to believe their children will recieve a better education. There are only two good private high schools in my area- one is 3 thousand a month, yep, a month, and senators come out of there. The other is 600 something per month. Both voluntarily participate in national testing and only the first exceeds other public schools. The second is pretty much right with us.

The other private schools- in my opinion, they are a scam. My fiance sent his son to one for a couple years when they were having behavioral problems with him. He got straight A's. WEll, yeah, he was doing work 3 years below his desired level. They did, however, get his behavior under control. But academically, he came to my high school below grade level. So do homeschoolers.

Oh, I could type forever.

There's plenty of money in education. It's just all tied up in beaurocracy. For example, a brand new high school was built in a neighboring town. Well,money to schools is allocated and money can only be spent the way it is allocated. All schools get so much money for repairs and maintenance. They don't need that- they are brand new, but they can't spend that money where they DO need it- hiring another teacher. See, with great intentions politicians want to make sure money is spent on what it's intended, and that is a PROBLEM. It's over-managing. My own school doesn't need new textbooks, we need more money for repairs. But we can't spend textbook money on repairs. So all around the bottom of my classroom is rust inches high.

these are but a few examples.

The union is a problem. My classroom needs painting. I wanted to paint it. Ya know- have a pizza party, get the paint donated, we'll paint one saturday. NOPE! I do that, and I can be formally written up because that is the MAINTENANCE worker's job. Furthermore, when I said "write me up and have a ball I'm painting this weekend", I was taken aside by a more experienced colleague, my principal, who is truly on my side and wants it painted as well, and told that if the workers file a complaint, and they will, my own pay will be docked the amount of pay that they would have recieved had they done the job. they will recieve pay for the job and I'm gonna pay them.

I was goin to town one Saturday in front of my classroom with my trusty dusty chain saw kuz the shrubbery was plain ugly, and a colleague ran over and told me to put the thing away before a gardener sees me as I will be docked pay- it's his job. I had to lie Monday morning and say I don't know how the outside of my classroom got to looking so nice. The fairies came. It was scary.

Just today- I had a substitute in the morning and I came back at lunch=- some idiot threw a pen and it busted and there was so much ink on the floor and it had spattered- I called for a janitor as I wanted it cleaned up. I waited till 5 minutes before the bell rang. One never came- it was their lunch break and they don't work on their lunch break. I cleaned it up. With my own paid for cleanser and scrubbers and towels. Then I swept my classroom with my own paid for broom and dust pan the first 10 minutes of fifth period as apparently the janitor who does our building was ill the past couple days and they didn't get a substitute. Well who the hell is supposed to do it then?

ugh. I'm ranting.

I gotta get ready to go to a football game. A bunch of my boys are playing and we are undefeated in league right now with tonight and next Friday left. the house is filling up as I take a van full. The finger has to go, so I'd better get.

Oh, the finger is this 6 foot number one finger that I cut out of a big piece of plywood and painted gold and then put a big handle on the back of it. It's "the finger", my hall pass, and goes to all the home games.

ta- da- it's football time! I hate football, unless my boys are playin.

Go git em boys!

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free and ella,

First time I really smiled today...

Thank You!!!

Hugs,

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Free-

Hey, I enjoy your "rants!"

I'm having a bad night so I don't have much to say. Gotta post my personal dirt... which is a lot less interesting.

Have fun tonight!
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Sunny, I wish I could make ya smile everyday. You sure do deserve that.

My boys got slaughtered. there was a moment of humor however. Picture the 6 foot number 1 finger made out of plywood black and gold- it's noticeable and it's big. Kids come by and ask to take the finger and they cheer in the stands, etc., and some boys came by and I let them go with it. So time goes by and I'm lookin around to see where it's at and what's goin on- supervising so to speak. And then, I see it. Bold, clear, on the other side of the stadium. In the opposing team's stands. If anybody can make me just fall out of my seat crackin up, it's teenagers- rowdy rebel-rousing cherubs.

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free,

LOL! I know I have been through the teenage years as a mother. Loved your description of them! And thank you. One day, when some of those rowdy rebel rousing teenagers are grown and are asked the question "What teacher most impacted your life"? I bet beyond a shadow of a doubt your name will be spoken many times over.
Have a great weekend!

((((free))))

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I didn't used to be religious, but now I am. Because the Antichrist is here. And his name is Bush.

The Lancet just published its estimate of the number of people killed in Iraq by this war. ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND! MOSTLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN!! SHOT TO DEATH BY HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS!!!

I didn't used to be religious.

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