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BIRD FLU HELP
November 8, 2005
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Ladeska, Thankyou for all this info. I still have the copy I printed out on the C/A person and still read it occasionally to keep myself out of that trap. As you probably remember, you were very helpful to me when I first came here as that article fit perfectly. Now, again I've made some notes from what you have posted here. Thankyou again and hope you're feeling better and continue to be better.

November 8, 2005
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Addicts wife - I couldn't agree with you more. It's just that to go on that kind of diet, costs money unfortunately. And that's very sad to me. To go to the whole foods stores and buy all this stuff isn't cheap. But........it can be done because we can crimp things tighter and cinch our belts, we just have to be "committed" to doing it, so it can be done. I try but fall short of doing it completely, so my hat is off to this woman, it really is true, what she says.

Maybe if we all had a cow in the backyard and a few chickens and grew a garden, we'd all be healthier, huh?

But, it's the one step at a time approach. You don't get anywhere, looking at the whole ball of wax, feeling overwhelmed by it and doing nothing. Do something........ Drink more water, or take a supplement you didn't take before, or do this or that. It's the turtle pace that wins the race.

Tange14, I am sooo happy for you. I really am. It really is just a thing of having boundaries, isn't it? Draw the line in the sand, say that time has now given me a pattern, this pattern stinks, I have so many years of my life left and I'm done with this pattern. See ya. I mean you can strive......and try and try and try but at some point you really do have to draw a line and say - you know what? I do have enough information to compute now. I mean how much more do I need here to say - if this person, male or female, was worth their salt, they would have turned a 180 by now, on their own, without me pointing the way for them. Because that's what it all boils down to. Why........is it that, we feel we have to be responsible for every little inkling of hope of them doing anything. That's NUTS. I know when I hurt someone, I see it all over the other person and even if I'm mad, it doesn't take me long to go - geez, good God, what did you do here???? Make it right for crying outloud. And you don't have to give me a roadmap either because my conscience points the way. But if someone doesn't have one to begin with, why would you need to be the one that is their conscience? And why would you need to be the one that points the way? If you do it once, guess what? You have to keep doing it?

The one thing that's the hardest to get over and to negotiate with ourselves is that we picked them in the first place. Well, get over it. We make mistakes, we're human, we are going on old data, we got fooled, we are programmed, blah, blah, blah. At some point, it doesn't even matter - why? What matter is, your butt is on fire, so put it out.

And with people who have hurt me continuously - whyyyyyyyyyy, would I care if they get it or not?????? I don't. I'm just DONE and I don't owe THEM squat. I've just had my limit, over it, line drawn, goodbye, see ya, bye-bye now.

Uh......and that makes you mean or something???? Nooooooooo, actually the person who keeps turning the knife, who keeps accepting NO responsibility for anything, who scapegoats constantly, who goes for your weak areas, who brings up your past, you mocks you, stalks you, and needs your narcissistic supply - IS the one you just need to run from. You owe them nothing. You don't owe them a reason, a printout, nothing. Bye.

We've been trained all our lives that we have to give an "accounting" when we are in a battle for our lives as to "why" we need to cut the rope when someone is dragging us under. I'm sorry but - screw YOU for asking for it!

I don't owe you SQUAT. I'm cutting the rope, you're on your own and that's that.

But isn't that just like a narcissist or a psychopath to say that while you are gasping for breath...........you owe them a reason why you put THEIR LIFE in some kind of inconvenience. Uh, I can't write here, because of SC's rules, what I think of that one because it would be full of foul words.

I could give a rat's behind what "they need". Grovel, go fetch, figure it out. I've had to.

People who have endure abuse, seem to take way MORE than their share and think that somehow it's "angelic" to do so. Why................?

I think it's called - stupid.

And whoever interpreted what Jesus was or Buddha or anyone else and made it into that - we should be "that" are full of it. Plain and simple. Rules written "by" psychopaths for their own purposes. Not rocket science.

Martyrdom, gets you dead. That's about it. If all you do is lay yourself down so some prick can pick your bones dry - then I don't really know what you contribute of any worth to the planet. Do you?

I mean it's cool and all that after you're dead, you're praised. I don't know about you, but that doesn't make me feel all that good. Kinda bothers me.

But isn't that the way it goes, all down through history. They are persecuted, railroaded, burned at the stake, crucified and then later...............oh WOW, what a great human being they were!!!!!!!!!!!! What IS THAT?

So IF you ARE an authentic human being, then rock the world! Make it COUNT for something. And especially rock the world of all the leaches that have their fangs in you. Give them a very BAD taste in their mouth from it.

It might take the next million years for your genetics to take hold but at least whatever it was you were on this planet, had a cause and effect.

Otherwise, why were you here?

People get twisted at me when I say - you know what? if your family treated you like complete crap, why do you know them?

But when I count the number of years that YOU are on the planet, if this kind of person walked up to you and did this out of nowhere to you - whyyyyyyyyy, would you give them an audience in your court?

So blood is thicker than water? Really? Only when you think you have something to gain from it. And that's when the illicit deals come into play. And what you agree to - you are bound to.

Hi Tumbleweed! You are a remarkable woman, been through the mill a few times over. But what amazes me about you is that - you seek truth. Not many people do. So my hat is off to you.

Anam Cara.........you know......I've watched you over time and all I can say is that, if I CAN lay an egg, I'd happily deliver it to your door for safe keeping and nurturing because I know that "you know" a creme egg when you see one. And THAT comes from living life.......and learning life's lessons. Too bad we don't live to be 250 because if we did, the world would be a better place because we only get the good stuff, later in life, huh? Love ya, Anam.

November 9, 2005
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Thankyou, Ladeska. You know me well. I am still seeking truth wherever I can find it. 🙂

November 9, 2005
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I had to come back and reread your post, Ladeska, because again there were so many helpful things in it that I need to make more notes of. What you said in the paragraph above the post to me is so important for me to remember at this time and always. All of what you said is so true and I know I needed to hear that "What you agree to, you are bound to." I don't really want to entrap myself again because I do believe I've had enough now. So, thankyou, thankyou again! Hugs to you and all.

November 9, 2005
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Truth - a funny word really because we all tell it our way which rarely follows others !
My sad side says that truth is like WHY - I have never fathomed out this Why thing. I concluded my puzzle by saying - move on you silly man. Put distance between what you shall never obtain an answer to!
Things then became clearer - because I began to see the day I was living in. That's my truth folks!

November 11, 2005
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Oh Ladeska ~ your wisdom rings thru the halls of AAC continuously.

I learned a lot from your straight forward talk. One of my best friends tells me I should write a book or an advise column and I tell her I can't take credit - most of it came from you. My mentor. lol

You got me thru some really, really tough times by making me look at my part in the craziness. If you don't let them do it - they can't - bottom line!!

Peace to you always,

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November 12, 2005
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And so say many of us!

November 12, 2005
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I am sooo guilty of buying the less healthy foods due ot my budget... Or lack ther ofd. I go to "Sav a Lot" and get the $.69 loaf of bread rather than Wild oats, or Whole foods $4- loaf of breads etc. But then I come to realize that replacing even a percentage of the "crap" I eat for sustenece can and does make a little difference, so I try, and when I can I do. I dont even buy much meat becasue even the Poo poo bad for me meats cost so much when I have no income to begin with, But Then again, IF I lived on my own property and had monetary stability I know I'd have a few chickens and a garden etc. No chemicals, no hormones, no preservatives and so on. The birs flu thing is one of Many many things happening to the planet that are scary. It reminds me of a roll of stickers i bought when I was Twenty something , pretty "crunchy" and gunna save the world... The were rectangle stickers Black with large white letters that said "If youre not outraged youre NOt paying attention."
I put them on newspaer boxes, and a few other places.
And even though we can see the "big picture" IF we take the time to look at things a little differently, By making little changes and being aware ,we can and do make a difference.
I mean I probably won't totaly radically change my diet due ot health problems and lack of financial income, and basically just needing to survive on whati can, But then again HOW will I be surviving?? :ittle changes can make a big difference for a lot of us, that's all. And I'm not al that into conspiracy theories and being radically "Into" all that much and certainly NOT a "joiner" But there is sooo much that really makes you think if I justtake the time to do so.So, If I have some lil' tidbit if Info that I think would benefit some folks I like to share it. ive always been very open and candid, and I like to share, learn and grow.

I dont think I mentioned the authors name or the book title of My friends book that really helped her, and I've ordered it myself now.
If anyone is interested The Name of the book Is : "Natural Cures they don't want you to know about" By Kevin Trudeau. It is listed on ebay, and Amazon I think I saw it on Amazon.I just found a lot of the info provided to be prety eye opening and very helpful especially to those who suffer from poor health, so if any one os intersted ou can look up some info on: http://WWW.Naturalcures.com

I hope everyone is haing a peaceful eekend, and is in good health.((((hugs))))) ;0)
Kindest regards,
AW

November 20, 2005
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Hi Tracylyn! Well sister, it's like this, you had to have the "hunger" for truth that you did - or you would have never sought or heard any truth you found from me or anyone else. So remember that and pass it on any way you can. Just live your life in the process, it passes quickly.

Ah yes.........Mr. Trudeau, little con man that he is. Will pass this on to you AW -

http://skepdic.com/trudeau.html

I really like skepdic.com, btw. Good resource. Don't always agree with them, but most of the time, I do.

Doesn't mean that everything in his book is nonsense. But it does mean that we all have to get out of this mindset of - if someone is charming, or has some bits of truth in what they say and hit our buttons that everything they say is correct. We have to be discerning about all of it. And con artists, charmers, psychopaths - all do that thing of - putting bits of truth throughout their bigger lie to draw you to it like honey draws bees.

I had his book for awhile and pulled out the bits of truth and threw the book out eventually. Most of what was there I already knew from other sources. But there's a chapter in there about this little thing you can hold and it can cure you or whatever. And you can call up someone who has one and go for a session, blah, blah. You get into finding out what these people are about - and it's real ugly..... So what I do when I start seeing lies in the fabric, learn of his past - I start looking for the core ugly and it's always there.

The people he's involved with are very interesting characters and not what you'd call salt of the earth. So you see the shine on the apple and at the first hint of lies or a shady past, you step back and really examine the webwork. That's what we generally don't do. We get all fired up and emotionally stimulated and con men can pretty much tell us anything because it goes right in. That's an old trick though and works well. Get someone to enjoying themselves, get their eyes wide about this or that and then shove the other stuff right down the big open hole. not hard.

That's why T.V. can be so dangerous as a tool for all kinds of stuff because our mind is so relaxed and being stimulated by this and that - that our defense and critical thinking is turned off. So we're a programmable robot sitting there letting everything come into our being with no check at the door. It's work for me to watch T.V. and be discerning. Anymore I watch it to just see what they are up to next more than anything. I watch Discovery and Nova and the news (until I hurl from it) and a few other ones like Nanny 911 and that's about it.

So we have to really work at - seeing the bigger picture and recognizing a con man at work or con woman. There are signs and one big one - is when you look at a book like this and then check out his credentials and his past and go - uh-oh.

Then when you get into - you hold this thing and it does this and that to you and then you find out what this group has been up to - then you go.......ohhhhhhhhhhh, so what Is this guy really doing here??? Anyone can take truth from here and there that actually other people have figured out for them and paste it on their little "invention" and then take credit for it. So we have to be always, always discerning and look beyond the smiling faces, the emotional ploys to get us all blind and go - well that's nice, but got other questions for you and what about this and what about that? Then you see how they field those questions? Does it make them mad that you question them? Do they avoid it, do they scapegoat, do they railroad you and do circular reasoning on you until you are just so tired you give up? All these are warning signs that you've seen through the shine and now taste the rotten apple.

So not knocking whatever truth are in the book here and there but wouldn't trust this man any farther than I could throw him.

We've got to get over our love affair with con artists and snake oil salesmen. Take a good look at some evangelists and there you go. And yet, they are rich why??? I'm sure they laugh and go - well, you believed me, so what do you want here? My sympathy?

I just about vomit when I watch these people on T.V., especially the big haired blonde woman on some channel about God. Looks like a nightmare version of Tammy Faye Faker and Dolly Parton. I can't look at her and not see complete evil and YET - she's rich - why????????

SHE'S going to pray for ME??? Oh please don't, okay? I'm so sure that behind the scenes that woman is a monster. And her sidekick - slick willie, too, on there. Just makes me cringe that these people sell what they do and we buy it. But people like to be lied to. They like the sales pitch and how it feels I guess. We like people who toy with our emotions for some reason. I hope we lose that soon because if we don't - we're in serious trouble as a nation.

Nope, take that back, we're already in very serious trouble for that very reason.

And the cure may be nastier to swallow than the original poison, too. You get to that point though, with any poisoning. To right it, means you go through hell and back to do so.

Charmers and con artists of any kind will always play into your emotions because they know that this is when your guard is down and when you don't critically think. They also know they have to move very fast because the effect of that - can wear off, so they have to get you roped in, part of their illicit plan, get some guilt, fear, blackmail or having to pay them back enormous interest and then - you can be led around by the nose. Works like a charm.

I comment you, AW for - doing what you can, as you can do it because the turtle does win the race, not the hare. The hare gets all full of himself and the turtle stays - focused. He places his foot here, takes a little step and looks where he's stepping.

December 30, 2005
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chloeysmomma,

I am pushing this thread up for you.

December 30, 2005
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I have been reading about this lately and watching documentaries on it. This could be a major epidemic. It is passed on from animal to animal very easily. There is 3 human to human cases in which 2 died and the other survived. I haven't read up much on it lately, but it is something that people need to be educated on. It could simply be airborne on someone and they come to the US from a plane and could possibly spread from there...who knows....Or what about product made in Taiwan and that packager has the virus but didn't know yet, and then we get the product over here and handle it, then gets spread over here....who knows.....This is how serious this could be.

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yes, it could be very serious, but if you read the first post by ladeska (click on view first post), she has a lot of very practical suggestions to keep healthy.

December 30, 2005
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IF Ladeska is still around or IF anyone else may know... I am searching.......

Above Ladeska mentioned...

Another thing that people don't realize is that they can have a chronic yeast infection, from being on antibiotics all their lives. It can cause a myriad of problems and people don't usually know - what's going on because doctors don't talk to you about this and poo-poo it when you do talk to alot of them.

Adrenal fatigue is also something that alot of doctors don't test you for, which can be a huge problem with people who are abuse victims and are hyper-vigilant. You can do a test for it and you can be treated.

Does anyone or Ladeska have any information?.......

Thanks in advance. 🙂

December 30, 2005
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hbdude,

No need for alarm. It is not yet been found to be transmitible from human to human.

It even spreads inefficiently from animal to human.

December 30, 2005
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Got it Kathygy, I need to update myself....

December 31, 2005
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Bird Flu Update: China reports third human death from bird flu
Posted 12/30/05
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BEIJING–China confirmed its third human death from bird flu Thursday, saying a 41-year-old woman from the country's southeast succumbed to the virulent H5N1 strain.

The woman died on December 21, two weeks after falling ill, the official Xinhua News Agency said, citing the Health Ministry. It said lab tests confirmed her infection according to World Health Organization standards.

China's mainland has suffered a total of seven human cases of bird flu. The country also had a suspected case in a 12-year-old girl who died.

The country has reported 26 outbreaks in poultry throughout China since October 19.

It was not clear how the woman contracted the virus. She was a factory worker in Sanming, a city in the coastal Fujian province.

Doctors found no bird flu symptoms among people who had close contact with her, and no outbreaks have been detected in animals in the area.

Authorities have destroyed millions of birds to contain outbreaks and are in the midst of a campaign to inoculate China's 5.2 billion poultry.

Health officials have warned that China could face new infections in winter and spring, especially during the Lunar New Year holiday in January, when large shipments of poultry are moved around the country to supply family banquets.

The H5N1 virus has killed at least 73 people in Asia since it first appeared more than two years ago, according to the WHO, whose figures were last updated December 23. Almost all the victims were in close contact with birds.

Experts fear the virus could mutate into a new strain that could spread easily from human to human, causing a global pandemic.

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So far, it appears that the infections have happened from bird to human but NOT human to human.

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thanks bonita i appreciate u hugs chloeysmomma happy new year girl

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your welcome!! Happy New Year's Eve!!

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