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November 6, 2001
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hi

anyone here know anything about art therapy? specifically, i have found web sites that talk in general about art as therapy, but haven't been able to find anything that goes into the detail of understanding what comes out in the art work - ie how to learn or pinpoint what it is that is being said through the art... something along the lines of how to "read" the message in it. i realize that it is a very subjective thing and there probably are no strict "rules" - no dictionary per se - but i'm sure there are some guidelines and generalities that could facilitate the discovery process...

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November 6, 2001
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Everyone usually has their own set rules for how to interpret it, so it depends on who's doing it and what they adhere to, so it's varied.

I think the simplist and purest way is for the person themselves to interpret their own art.

Sometimes intuitive guides can be helpful, but all in all - you know - what the code is....

That's what we do by expressing ourselves in other ways, through other mediums...we write something in code that our self-conscious wants to present to our conscious self and see if it will get rejected or not.

Sometimes what lies hidden is quite a bit smarter than what beats it's chest to the world. (smile)

November 6, 2001
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....consequently "pure" things often feel rather fragile and vulnerable in such an abrasive world - driven by ego and fear. Butterfly wings feel just a little delicate in the bright, harsh sun...(smile) So, we have to help the wings out of the cocoon just a little bit. The sun looks harsh and can be - but those delicate wings can learn how to ride the currents - just fine.

November 6, 2001
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I've not heared anything about what you said except for therapy by Music which I suppose evry one of us has tried either intentionally or not , but for art , though I don't know any specific rules of how to interpret art paintings but I think it depends on what a particular art work could excite in you ..

does any certain art painting instigate an unusual feeling , memmories , sounds or imaginations ... ??

for me , I really never get bored of staring at the famous work of Edvard Munch , called The Scream ...

well , afterall , I suppose these kind of effects would be reflected on almost evrybody who sees such paintings but with different degrees ..

November 6, 2001
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I think many of us can relate to that picture, and will some day know what HIS experience was while drawing it.
Music I know can relax, or stimulate, energy or creativity. Art therapy, and I have done some of it, does just what Ladeska says. Especially with children, who are not sophisticated enough to language feelings. The colors you choose to draw, the thickness of the lines. One of the greatest tools, is to have the child draw a picture of his family. Sure often it is stick people, but where he puts the stick people, and how he groups them together, and how he draws the faces, and heads explains how he sees them. With out stating, dad way over on the left with his brief case, and the airplane next to it, with mom and the siblings all the same size, real close to each other, on the other side of the paper, mom in red with a really big mouth, hmmmmmmmmm what would you guess?
You can't force it, collages are also good, like what do you want to be when you grow up, or what ever you can't put your finger on. Intuitives are better than your average shrink I believe them to be more objective, vs projecting.

November 6, 2001
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Using art is like trying to find a "safe" language for yourself, one that isn't verbal, so your inner self can speak and not be judged or interpreted so easily. Gives you a bit of freedom, safety and individualism. Is very useful in the hands of the right guide.

November 6, 2001
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I don't know what it means but I just love drawing lighting bolts in black pen. Most all my art I like to do in black and white. I don't really know why I am so fasinated by lighting but I am.

Hey good to see you post again distracted. I have missed you.

distracted do you do art?

November 7, 2001
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hi damaged - good to see you too! been awhile - hope things are going well for you - pushing 10 months right? =o)

i don't know if you could call what i do art - i don't think it's very good, and i don't show it to anyone...but i have something inside, get it from my mom i'm sure - she's very creative, very much an artist - though she doesn't think so...and i'm driven to do stuff - whether drawing, or glass, or wire, or collage, or whatever...usually it just gets trashed afterwards...but i have noticed that things are better when i take the time to do those things...i just don't take the time much. my therapist has always pushed me to do more - because i have a hard time verbalizing things (yep molly - i have the verbal sophistication of a child when it comes to some stuff - quite the frustrating client for my therapist! =o)...and i would like to understand more about what it is that i have such a hard time verbalizing - so maybe i can learn to verbalize things better.

i had never thought of it as a "safe" language. feels right though. i guess it's only safe if i don't show it to anyone. ladeska, you said it is very useful in the hands of the right guide...where is this guide? and how do they learn to be this guide? what are the guidelines that are followed? i mean, are there any descriptives - things that talk about what it means when a child uses thick lines, or draws in red... molly you mentioned that intuitives are better than any shrink - probably true - but i'm having a hard time trusting my intuitions and when i look at something i've drawn or made, it seems like the reactions and thoughts that go with it are very ...guarded?...low key?...just out of reach? ugh i don't know... so that's why i'm trying to learn more about this - thought maybe, with a baseline of "clues" to follow, it would get the ball rolling to the deeper, more subjective, stuff....

huh...i just remembered something i hadn't thought of for years...when i was in high school i took an art class and after the first part of the class, the teacher wanted me to pursue my own direction...somewhere along teh way, she suggested several times that i go to school to become an art therapist....kinda freaky now that i think about it...

thanks for the responses

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November 7, 2001
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I always learn so much from the peple on this sight. I never realized there was such a thing as art therapy but I'm really glad there is.
Distracted--whose opinion are you following when you say your art isn't very good? My opinion is that art just IS.
The fact that people are creating instead of destroying makes any art OK in my book.
Damaged-- I used to love Aubrey Beardsley's work and M.C. Escher is still a favorite of mine--all black and white.
I truly love all forms of art but I am now a fanatic for color and design.
Anyway, not to get too artsy-fartsy on ya'll. Later.
Artist 🙂

November 7, 2001
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Damaged, here is a shot from the hip, how about all those lightening bolts, and in black, being all that dark energy that you have???? perhaps its just energy that needs to be shared, and hit the world in an explosive way to get that attention ??? dark right now perhaps because of the things that you have shared about how you feel sometimes. But black is really a very positive thing sometimes, representing all the colors ? All your talents? What would the picture look like if the lightening bolt hit the ground?

November 7, 2001
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Distracted, I didn't mean to imply that because a person cannot verbally express them selves that they are child like. There are many reasons a person cannot express them selves, and shucks if every one did know how, do you think there would be as much therapy out there. I find it interesting how when we take the time to go back to our child hood, and think of those words of encouragement that we got from here and there, and remember a thing that we used to do that was "fun" how we sometimes unlock the door, to what it is that we should or could be doing. Black and white art is so very dramatic, so many shades really. So, express your self and quit tossing the stuff in the trash, or let us know where your trash can is. Have you gone through some of those artsey shops of late, I swear anything is art, a coffee can, cut down the back and folded out, is now a plant holder that sells for $25 in the anthroplogy shops in S. B. Old bottles with a flower painted on it, sells for $20. Those old towles with silly Picasso like drawings go for big dollars, yada yada yada. My hubby once said if I move up north what am I going to do , paint drift wood, I said do you have a clue what that goes for? Not to mention the seeweed that gets dried, and made into rattles, we are not always the best judge of our work, and it takes alot of trust to share. Just recently I got the nerve to share some of my writing again, and was asked if I had any hair on my testies, to get it out there. You just never ever really know. so, do you have any hair on your testies?
Hey, we could all get to work, and this is how we can support the commune, The threads Art and support center.

November 7, 2001
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It is Art Therapy Week in Albuquerque, N.M. this week. I guess they are having some sort of convention or something. I caught it on the local news this morning.

November 7, 2001
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distrated Albuquerque is just down the road from me. That would be nice if we could go together to this Art Therapy Week. Two clean and sober chicks hanging out in Albuquerque (lol) I would like to learn more about this Art Therapy stuff???

November 8, 2001
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You guys definitely should hook up and go together to this Art Therapy thing. Sounds awesome and you both need it. Seems that something is guiding you both in this direction, so go with it.

The right guide? Hard to find. But, that should give you both motivation if you want to pursue this field to become a sensitive/intuitive guide.

Basically a person that guides well has alot of intuition and reads people well. That usually comes from them first - knowing themselves and doing alot of work therein. However, along that path or journey - if they have the gift - they can still help people rather well, while doing their own work with themselves. I think we do that all our life actually. You never really - arrive. Always arriving...

But, I think a great deal of that has to be done in order for someone to be a good guide. And I don't think it's about them being psyche or anything like that. It's more about them being able to interpret your language or to guide you - into doing that. You are actually - the best guide there is for your own language. You wrote the code, so you know it. A person that comes alongside you - just needs to know how to unlock it and that is different with each person. Mainly, I usually ask people when they draw something - what do you see? And the more they get into a position of being self-aware and having good self esteem. It is only then that you can listen to your own code, otherwise, it's just going to be gibberish to you because you don't give it any validation.... So, that must come first and more than anything I want someone to get to "that" point and then - they pretty much do their own work. That's when the fun really begins and people start enjoying connecting with themselves. All sorts of things come tumbling out.

I always warn against - listening to someone do all the interpreting for you. Not good. You are the one that needs to do that for the most part. People can guide a bit here and there and suggest somewhat....hint to things maybe - throw things out on the board for consideration. But, the whole idea behind art therapy is to give you the keys to your own locked door and those muscles have to be strengthened in "you". Your art - is yours. No one elses. It's like teaching someone to walk that is crippled. They have to do it. It is through doing that the book on how to - comes to life. There is a knowing inside each of us - that knows how.....so pick up the canvas and the paint....and become introduced to someone inside you - you never knew before.

November 8, 2001
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Guides are just that Guides, some of them teach how to see, but the individual takes what he learns, and creates his own intreperation, once he has learned to see, what perhaps was not even an observation before. Just like asigning a word or label to a feeling. many have feelings but with out knowing a vocabulary have no concept or means to address it. Reminds me of those pictures that were out there for a while, when you look at them, you see a splash of colors, but if you adjusted your vision you were able to see the painting. Some people were able to do it and others not. the same with art therapy, it all depends on the frame of referance of the individual, some people see black, and think death, others see black as a very spititual color. There is also a difference betwen being intuitive, and being psychic.

November 9, 2001
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Damaged, Do you mind me asking where you live? Like what city, is it in NM? I live in NM.

November 9, 2001
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Silly girl, get back in your seat, you are a Guide, doing it right here. Good thing I don't know how to use a gun, I think some days I could have way to much fun. The truth is though my dad did such a good job of brain washing me, the first time I held on and tried to fire it at a skeet range, I got sick to my stomach and barfed all over every one after I shot the damn thing, and really hurt my shoulder. Guess, I am stuck with my hands feet and sharp tounge for defense.

November 9, 2001
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gypsy that neat that you live in N.M. I would be happy talk to you about were I live. I would like to do it by mail it that alright. [email protected] hope to hear from you.

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