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July 12, 2007
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i had my appointment tuesday. my weight was as high as i figured 196 -198. im on a low calorie plan. im feeling encouraged.

July 12, 2007
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glad you posted robbie...glad to see your spirits are up.

how is your eating plan going? are you finding it easy to stick to so far?

how are things at work going?

I long to be UNDER 200 lbs...I remember when I was doing atkins, how happy I was to get under that number and stay there.

I was 234 at my heaviest. I am that weight now, with 7 months to go with my pregnancy...so I will have alot ot lose after the baby.

July 12, 2007
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actually, im finding it hard to eat as much as im supposed to. but i think thats becuz theres been a lot going on lately and i havent had a chance to plan yet.

today was the first time i had breakfast before leaving the house.

veggies on this diet are considered "free foods" so for lunch i have leafy spinach, tomatoes, mushrooms, onion and my 3 oz of chicken. (6 oz required per day). grapes and sugar free jello for dessert.

with a plan - i feel like i have more control and that i wont be obsessing or eating so much at night.

yesterday, i walked 2 laps around the track. i could had done more, but thats all the time i had. but alteast i did it.

i have a follow up in 7 weeks. i hope to have lost 7 - 10 pounds by then.

as far as work (and family)goes - things suck right now. but i dont really want to talk about it. im just pleased with myself that i didnt use food as a stress reliever.

July 12, 2007
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good for you.

and I do understand how having a plan of what you can and can't eat make it simple and you can tell yourself "nope, can't eat that".

plus it makes it easier to figure out, so you don't HAVE to think about it.

progress, that's the name of the game.

good job with the laps too...I don't think i could do two laps even if I wanted to.

keep up the good work.

July 13, 2007
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just came back from my little walk around the track.

i did real good on my "diet" yesterday. im still unable to meet all the number of servings. she wants me to have atleast 6 servings of fruit a day.

today, i got up late and didnt have time to eat breakfast before i left, or make lunch or anything so i just threw a bunch of food in my bag so i was still able to make a good healthy lunch with it.

im really encouraged about it.

im actually going to a birthday party tonight and at first i thought i would have to miss out on the "good"/"bad" stuff.

but heres how i think of it, this is not a diet where i start (cannot have my favorite foods) and then stop (and then i can have them again). its a life change. will i never have pizza, cake and icecream again? of course i will. i dont want to feel like im being punished for being fat. so, i decided to allow myself 1 slice of pizza, and a tatse of ice cream and cake.

do you think this is justification to cheat? or a healthy way of thinking of things?

July 13, 2007
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That's interesting that she wants you to have 6 servings of fruit a day. My sister in law went to a doctor and they told her 2 3 ounce servings of meat 3 dairy 6 grains 3 fruits and 3 veggies

July 13, 2007
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you know what? i think i have it backwards. i think its 4 fruit and 6 bread/cereal. but the sheet is at home. but i do know i keep coming up short. i guess thats better than going over.

July 13, 2007
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Robbie,
How did you find a nutritionist? Is it expensive? I need to lose weight but I have no idea how to start and wanted to not do the diet thing and then gain it all back. I just got a clean bill of health from my doctor and my cardiologist so I am ready to go.
I am just afraid of failing at it.

July 16, 2007
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robbie,

it is 6 servings of fruits AND veggies, meaning a mix of both.

if you have issues with sugar, then you should have more veggies, less fruit, but don't skip it altogether, as it's beneficial.

I just like fruit and it goes down and stays down easier than veggies do right now...for me.

July 16, 2007
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Hello Robbie,
I haven't been on in a long while because I was in europe for a month. Glad to hear you saw the nutritionist. Don't get too bogged down in the weight. Who cares if it is high, the important thing is you are doing something about it. So I don't know if you saw my other thread, but apparently if you add dandelion to your diet with two meals a day and half a grapefruit (the dandelion capsules or the tea) it protects your liver and gives your metabolism a good kick in the ass to kick start it and make it faster. I have tried it and it is great. Also makes you just feel really healthy.

July 16, 2007
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tiger trainer: i asked my doctor to make a referral to the nutritionist. that way my insurance will pay (for 6 sessions).

Hi Rising: i checked the paperwork she gave me and for the diet she has me on its ...

4 fruits

6 bread/cereal

6 oz meat (two 3 oz servings)

2 Milk

4 Fat

Veggies : as desired

and then there is a list of free foods. keep in mind, this was all calculated to fit my weight and height and what "they" consider a serving.

i have to say i blew it last night. when i wanted to "binge" i didnt take the steps to stop myself. i did it anyway. and i had been doing so good too.

all i needed to complete my daily plan was 1 serving of bread. i was going to have a half whole wheat bagle and go over my fat requirement by 1 serving. then, i decided just to have the whole bagle. but in typical fashion, i had another one. and then some time later 2 big bowls of cereal.

after i had messed up i decided to make a plan for today, and then this morning i got up too late to eat breakfast or make the lunch i had planned on. so once again, i just threw a bunch of stuff in a bag and i'll figure it all out later.

loverbee: thank you for the info. where can i find this dandelion stuff? my sister has a whole lawn full of em . 🙂

July 16, 2007
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robbie - I think that's what they call self sabotage.

somewhere in your thinking, you may think, ok, I blew it for the day, so who cares, it won't matter if I keep blowing it.

What you need to say to yourself is, I CAN just have one extra serving of fat and be done with it....no more tho.

easier said than done and you probably already know this.

can you tell me what you were thinking or feeling when you went back for more? where you physically hungry? bored? sad? lonely? tired?

trying to find what "triggers" us to fail is part of the process.

I know that for me...I can't "see" myself succeeding, cuz all my life, I felt like a failure, so I had to prove I was a failure...so I could say "see, I knew I was"...cuz I didn't want to be wrong either.

So, I always sabotage myself. Plus, I say, "who cares, nobody loves me anyway, so it won't matter if I am fat"....or "if he loves me, he'll love me fat too".

anyway, time to start thinking about why you did it...so you can head yourself off at the pass this next time.

also, my guess is because you ate so late, and ate the cereal, you overslept cuz the carb overload made you sleepy - milk before bed helps most people sleep...as do the carbs.

July 16, 2007
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hmmmm . you know, i hadnt stopped to think about the trigger.

at first i wasnt even going to have the last bread serving - i was watching tv and kept thinking about it. and since i still had 1 serving to fulfill, it was ok.

but once i tasted the warm, "heavy" dough ...i wanted to continue "that" feeling. (hard to describe).

im not sure there really was a trigger, i think - more like habit? that is what i usually do. it was familiar.

later when i had the cereal - i think i might have subconciously felt like i had already blown it, so what did it matter - i would start again today.

i didnt sleep very well. and by morning i couldnt get myself up. i told myself that an extra half hour of sleep would be better than preparing my foods for the day.

so, the triggers - im not sure there was any.

i was doing what i always do at night, watching tv.

July 16, 2007
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maybe the carbs triggered it...the taste...as you say.

meaning it was the physical addiction that jumped in here.

and once you overloaded your system with those carbs, they made you so sleepy you wanted to sleep in this morning.

Perhaps you can structure your day so you get your carbs in early and if you have anything leftover, make it a protein.

OR - if you had eaten the bagel, had some kind of protein with it, to counteract the overload and fill you up better.

carbs don't fill me...so I can eat and eat and eat...if I eat protein, then I am fuller faster...and don't binge as much.

July 16, 2007
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hey - great idea!

also - i think your right, the trigger came after i got the taste of it.

thanks rising. i never would had stopped to ask myself these questions.

July 16, 2007
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dandelion is at any whole foods or health food store. I know its hard not to binge but I think eating five small meals a day helps with the temptation to binge as long as they are healthy. A great snack is something like tuna salad on a light english muffin with some cheddar melted on it. I only do half of one and its great and keeps me from wanting junk cause it has a lot of protein which fills you up.

July 16, 2007
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**IF** your nutritionist is a good one, she will/would have asked when you go back and tell her about the experience.

tho, many people don't think carbs can cause triggers or addictions - so that will depend on her if she puts the connection together.

I know that my mom has fibro and she is like you, she loves her carbs, but not sweets, just FOOD...cereal and bread amoung the top of her list.

And for her, ANY type of carb in this category, whole wheat or not, will trigger her to overeat.

she has to mentally tell herself to stop...and find something else to occupy herself.

July 16, 2007
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thats interesting.

i tried to get in a discussion about it with the nutritionist, i couldnt engage her in conversation. i ended up saying i guess i have no self-control. she said, it will be a hard habit to break.

i feel the same way about carbs. i do like sweets - but its the carbs i really want. it concerns me that shes got 6 servings of it. you think it would be ok to cut it down without asking her?

also, where do nuts fit in? they werent on the list. and how much is a serving?

my plan is to have 3 meals, 2 snacks - i had planned it all out for today, but it all fell apart when i didnt get up early enough to prepare my food for the day.

tonight will be hard because i have rehearsal, and i always feel like i need to eat again when i get home. i think it might help me settle down and relax. usually on rehearsal nights i end up having 2 dinners - 1 before i go, and 1 after.

July 16, 2007
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split dinner up on rehearsal nights - eat smaller portions or leave the protein and something to go with it for later when you come home.

as far as carbs...don't cut back, just make sure carbs are whole grain - the heavier the better...some "whole wheat" products on the shelf are really garbage labeled as nutritious.

if it reads "enriched wheat flour" or anything "enriched" as the first ingredient, it's not really good, as they are adding stuff to it, meaning it's processed.

nuts...I think they fall into the fats section - I could be wrong, but if you look up on google, the food pyramid, it may explain it where it falls.

if you use nuts, make sure you measure and weigh them....and don't overeat...almonds and walnuts are best for omega-3 oils...peanuts are actually in the bean family...macadamia is great, but full of fat. Cashews are high in fat and carbs.

I LOVE almonds and pecans...my favorite for snacking.

If you tend to overeat, then chop your serving up and put it in your oatmeal or make granola with it.

July 16, 2007
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robbie,
thanks i will follow up with my dr. I just went in for a heart stress test and the nurses couldn't believe that I don't exercise because my heart is so good. i want to keep going while I am feeling encouraged.

July 17, 2007
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well, i can say im a bit proud of myself.

i ended up not eating before rehearsal. thats probably not what i will normally do, but it just turned out that way.

when i got back i had my 3 oz of meat and some broccoli slaw that i made from one of the recipees she gave me. and i had a yogurt with a tiny handful of sliced almonds and a tiny handful of granola.

then i went upstairs to settle for the night. well, i kept thinking about that cereal. a couple times i almost got up to get it. was thinking - just eat the rest and dont buy cereal again. Luckily, i was so tired that i didnt even have the energy to get up. so, i didnt have the cereal and proved that i could hold off from that urge.

this morning, i was still pretty tired, but i forced myself up and followed the plan i had outlined for yesterday. i had my breakfast, made my lunch, prepared snacks, and wrote down all the calories for my entire day.

with the plan she gave me, i dont need to count calories, but i just want to see how servings and calories right off the packages compare.

see, i got to thinking - how can the calories on her plan be accurate? 1 slice of whole wheat bread is considered a serving - but you can have a very hearty whole wheat, or you can have a light whole wheat - they will not have the same amount of calories. right?

same with yogurt - they dont say what kind of yogurt - just - "yogurt" the number of calories varies quite a bit depending on what you get.

so i might use their information as a guide, but try to fill my 1500-1700 calories by reading lables.

July 17, 2007
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wow, robbie, you are doing GREAT!

and you are thinking, planning and putting alot of effort into this!

You should be pleased with yourself, you are doing a great job and really thinking this thru!

you are dead on about the calories and such...and I think that your nutritionist really was recommending a "guide" to follow, and that's why there is a 200 calorie range you can fall into - because unless you get some wicked sweet yogurt or full fat, your calories may vary, but you will still be in your target range.

read labels anyway - know what you are putting in your body!

July 17, 2007
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Thanks so much for the support rising.

just about lunch time here, just wondering - is it better to walk before or after lunch? or it makes no difference?

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I think I read that if you are going to exercise, eat AFTER...tho a small snack before is good, a full meal may slow you down.

since you are just going for a short walk, I don't think it will matter...only if you start having intense workout sessions that last for a longer period of time.

and when you do that, I think they advise waiting an hour or more before eating.

I could be wrong, but think this is what I read.

either way, a walk is going to be great.

July 17, 2007
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i hope that i might be inspiring others who want to get healthy too, but not sure anyone else is reading this.

i am up to 3 laps around the track now - (as of yesterday).

i had my sandwich before i went (was a bit hungry) and the broccoli slaw when i got back.

i do agree - eating after a walk i better. unless its like you said - a small snack just to take the edge off.

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