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anyone up, need to talk, it's gg
August 16, 2006
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Don't be shocked. We all tell you we are here for you.

There is one more part of the puzzle that I or you should research and that is that "Medical causes that can show symptoms of depression should also be ruled out before making the diagnosis of depression".

Do your homeworK GG coz the doctors won't. In fact, one of my docs keeps tellin me i'm doin a great at his job and keep up the work coz his workload prevents him the time on his hands that I have on mine.

Sleep well all. 🙂

August 16, 2006
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GG: One more place to look tomorrow. Then I'm off to bed too.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/public.....nknows.cfm

hope this will give you some answers. If not, more research can be done. 🙂

August 16, 2006
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mamac-

Not sure you ever saw my reply to you the other day on your prayer post.

August 16, 2006
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gg, mamacinnamon, and anyone else up tonight with depression:

So many things can cause depression - but the one thing I think everyone should consider is gluten intolerance. Gluten intolerances have been linked to rashes, shingles, neurological issues, migraines, brain fog, anemia, diabetes, intestinal cancer, hormone imbalances, hair loss, depression, joint pain, and malabsorption issues...Although I am not a doctor (and this is my problem, so I like to project it onto everyone else), I really, truely believe that a lot of thes maladies are linked to an autoimmune response to something in our environment. It's something you might want to check out, a simple blood test for antibodies. The disease is called celiac sprue, although that is generally associated with the intestinal manifestation of gluten intolerance, many people exhibit no intestinal distress.

Most doctors don't know a thing about this disease and never think to test for it. If your health is of real concern, I would put this on the list of thing to be checked for. At this time 1 of 133 people has this disease.

I hope all of you get a good nights rest, now that I've given you something else to worry about....Sorry!

zax

August 16, 2006
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Zax:

I am always happy for any info I can get my hands on. I ususally take a brief synopsis to the doc and he quickly rules it out, but he tells me this is how illnesses are found and controlled.

Celiac's is one thing they did rule out for me, but again thanks for bringing the issue up as most don't have a clue what to look for.

Thank you for the info. 🙂

August 16, 2006
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P&L: yes, ma'am I did. Thank you.

August 16, 2006
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(((GG))) Keep the faith, Hon! There WILL be a break thru, and good days to come.

August 16, 2006
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GG: I read yr thread p to the point you wrote yr 5 woes. Then I went to eat something, had to do the lunch dishes (no one to do them for me) and then my hands hurt from the cold sink water. I used the blow dryer and came here. Hey, you got some real help! This site is great! The people here are great!

Well, since you honored me by mentioning my name I had to go eat before I put my 2 cents in, you know. But, heck, maybe all I can say is "hello, R U there? Did you go to sleep? ? ?

August 16, 2006
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Well it is Wed.nite. Feeling slightly better than last night, but need to catch up on some sleep. After reading all the advice again, I am going to see if I still feel this way next week. If so, I guess I will go back to reg. doctor and see what he recommends. I hate talking to people face to face. It is so much easier this way on the internet. Will see how it goes and thanks again for the advice...gg

August 16, 2006
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Yeah, U probably went to sleep and thats great!

Its bread and circus day here, first a mob at the market and now rockets for soccer. Since Brazil lost the cup there are cup T-shirts for a dollar a piece at the market, long sleeves, mind you.

I replied to *startingover* in my thread and getting here took so long for my PC that I almost had to go for a cup of coffee, then just took my student´s dirty one to the sink anyway.

Well maybe the best I could do is lighten up here but... back to my 2 cents. Stop cutting yourself!! Its not easy living but its not easy dying. Believe me, I tried it. I thought I had such a fool proof method of overdosing that I didnt even reach for the last 4 xanax I had in my purse! Does cutting relieve you from the anxiety you feel? If it does, let me know, I should try it. Though I think its like my sleep medication, more of a distraction and, boom, your mind is somewhere else. Hurting ourselves doesn´t take our garbage out for us. Literally and otherwise. I know. I have the garbage from the day before yesterday! And husbands? Well, they may take it out on the 5th day or so. By then you fainted b/c you´re the one smelling it. (Husbands can´t smell a dumpster!)

Husbands can be great to depend on. They tell you to sell your retirement to buy a second hand car so they dont hav to share one. To quit our health insurance and get onto theirs which is more convenient. So *you* become very depedent on them. And then if you flip out and go visit family (good for them you have any family or what it seems like family) they cut their losses and dump the dead weight (=old wive) b/c marriage vows arent what they were cracked up to be in the old days.

About hospitals... well, lets start with neighbors finding you, not family, then discussing whos gonna take you to the hospital, forgetting you need a toothbrush and slippers at the emergency room... Three days of forgetting you there - you get the picture. (Not that they didnt ask whether I needed anything but I was in shock, didnt want anyone visiting at the ER.) Moving to the psych ward was a step up from the triple capacity ER but they dont floss your teeth for you there. Just keep the dental floss for you so you dont hang yourself. And give sleeping med thats actually... promeatzine / phenergan! (Read my thread on that!)

GG, Im fricking 40 plus sucking 6 and life changes are tough. I got a divorce 8 yrs ago and thought I was having a chance to start my life over. Well, I tried b/c I had to. I was nice as I could be. But I havent built the inner circle, nor the prescribed 3 shoulders to cry on. Now menopause. Maybe it has something to do with my humor. Very iffy. Shrink´s diagnosis even iffier. Depression with suspicion of hypomania due to unmotivated irritability. Let him have some of my life and Ill give him a diganosis: well motivated irritability especially towards the iffy diagnosis. Ive been out of the hospital one and a half month and theyre still to ascertain this diagnosis and fixate the meds.

People cant put themselves in your shoes. Your employer for one. And guess what? Thats a motivation for you to remain on track for recovery. In fact I think its your main track. Youre a teacher so you know about discipline. 99% of the time its something we dont feel like doing but have to do. If youre still nice after being a teacher and having all kinds of students expectations and requests on you, guess what, you must be in the right place.

Maybe vacation wasnt what you expected but know this: I had depression, felt tired and unmotivated, in the nicest places and with the best life conditions. Maybe, just maybe, your vacation can be at work. Maybe thats where youll network, find projects and people that give you satisfaction now that your nest is kind of empty. Meanwhile you guarantee your future years (without becoming dependent on your husband or children).

So, its a bummer: cant count on children, nor husband, nor vacation... But you can count on a bunch of good people at AAC plus this one projecting her life onto you (hope not so much) and most important: you can count on YOURSELF!! Take it one step at a time! (((GG)))

August 16, 2006
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Gosh, did I forget the therapy... Well, its not gooing that well for me but I think Id be a lot worse off without it. My lady resident doc listens to me, told me her office is my space and she wants to help me. She gave me some feedback though my third eye didnt open (I guess it wouldnt look good, thats why) and got the guy resident doc to call me this week or ext to work on my meds!! So I can be thankful.

GG, therapy is very important! Its the space one needs to let out our beasts without fearing judgment. Because being condemned for trying to make sense will be just the red flag you need to go find another therapist. An I think it may *the* place you can grieve your losses (eg, the empty nest if you see it as a loss). Of course another nice place is the church. But you get a lot more judgmental people there, I guess thats why theyre so forgiving of our human sins 😉

Hope youre getting up to a good start. You have a great day!

August 16, 2006
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Sin,
You are so intelligent...What is this inner circle that you mention? If I am interpreting correctly, I don't have one. About counting on yourself, it is hard when you can't stand yourself a lot of the times. About cutting, I have stopped, but still tempted. Pretty sick for a 50 year old woman, eh??? I now I know that I did it for one of two reasons: to punish myself and/or relieve the inner pain since I felt I had no one that cared.

August 16, 2006
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Sin, I tried 3 visits to woman psychoanalyst. She would constantly go tsk,tsk, tsk; no wonder you are blah, blah, blah...Never gave advice or seemed to care. What a waste of time and money!

August 16, 2006
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well, gotta get some sleep tonight. First day of school wore me out, but I loved it.

August 17, 2006
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Well, GG, what I take it for the inner circle is a group of people you cant count on for encouragement and feedback. It doesnt have to be blood relatives and its better not be your hubbie. Husbands tend to be one sided - namely theirs.

As for therapy, you should try all kinds and preferably pay the less you can. Money doesnt go with competence here. Caring is the operative word. Feeling heard is important. Having a venue to speak out, to pour out your feelings. The 12 step codep group is wonderful. You could start a family right there. Check the internet for online meetings or bulletin boards.

Can´t stand yourself? One day you could and the day is coming when you will b/c youre the product of a very intelligent plan. Almost narcissist in that it can see itself under the wrong light so its always searching for the good light. You know the light that shines within!

August 17, 2006
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Almost narcissist in that it *can´t* see itself under the wrong light

August 17, 2006
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Sin, thanks for the details...don't think an inner circle is possible in my life....that is what is hurting me the most. Well, gotta go to work.

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